Abortion

[Shredderbeam]

Ofcourse not 100& but you know what I mean.....

It IS potential life and the chance of an healthy little baby is very high.
The sperm and egg seperate is not potential life, but once combined it would turn into life if it was not killed, meaning that sperm and egg combined is potential life.

Separately, they are a potential life! They have all the ingredients necessary to create a human being.

 

[jebckr]

It's not the govts place to say wheter a mother should have a child or not. If you look at it as murder then think about this. The child to be born might ruin the mothers life; so should the existing person's life be ruined or the child's, whos life has yet to begin.

 

[Krypton6]

Separately, they are a potential life! They have all the ingredients necessary to create a human being.

They arent potential life separately. Floor alone is not dough nor is water alone dough, but adding them together makes dough.
Sperm alone is not life but simply 50% of the ingredients, nor is eggs alone life but simply the other 50%, but adding them together makes 100% = LIFE.

It's not the govts place to say wheter a mother should have a child or not. If you look at it as murder then think about this. The child to be born might ruin the mothers life; so should the existing person's life be ruined or the child's, whos life has yet to begin.

Firstly the mother CHOSE to ruin her own life since she were stupid enough to get pregnant in the first place or perhaps go out in the streets at night and end up getting raped. She ruined her own life, so the child is not to blame but simply her own stupidity.

And even if the child was born, why would it ruin her life?
Many womans who have killed the life inside of them now have psychological problems after having made the choice of dooming the child inside of them to death as a result of their own stupidity.
Man womans who were going to abort ended up not doing it, and are now glad that they made that choice of not aborting.
And even those womans who end up with a baby which they do not want, can simply hand it over to the hospital and thats it!
So for you to say her life is ruined and that she is the victim is complete bs.

 

[Shredderbeam]

They arent potential life separately. Floor alone is not dough nor is water alone dough, but adding them together makes dough.
Sperm alone is not life but simply 50% of the ingredients, nor is eggs alone life but simply the other 50%, but adding them together makes 100% = LIFE.

So, you say then that a fertilized cell is exactly equivalent to an adult human life?

Firstly the mother CHOSE to ruin her own life since she were stupid enough to get pregnant in the first place or perhaps go out in the streets at night and end up getting raped. She ruined her own life, so the child is not to blame but simply her own stupidity.

Oh, here we go. So, anybody who gets raped is to blame for bringing it upon themselves? You are not a woman, you have no idea, do you? I would suggest not blurting out such presumptuous statements without a moment's consideration to what you are actually saying!

And even if the child was born, why would it ruin her life?
Many womans who have killed the life inside of them now have psychological problems after having made the choice of dooming the child inside of them to death as a result of their own stupidity.
Man womans who were going to abort ended up not doing it, and are now glad that they made that choice of not aborting.
And even those womans who end up with a baby which they do not want, can simply hand it over to the hospital and thats it!
So for you to say her life is ruined and that she is the victim is complete bs.

I never made that claim. The only claim that I make is that the government does not have the right to dictate what a woman does or does not do with her body. What are they going to do, put her under house arrest? Are there not certain basic liberties that all people have, so as to not have to suffer under this type of tyranny?

If you think it's immoral, great. However, legally, you cannot make it illegal while still remaining a free people.

 

[eXact]

However, legally, you cannot make it illegal while still remaining a free people.

Is suicide legal? If you use the argument its the "womens body so her choice" , then does not that same women have the right to put a gun to her head if she wanted to. The answer is no. We live in society- by the very definition you are not "free".

And even those womans who end up with a baby which they do not want, can simply hand it over to the hospital and thats it!

Lol do u know how many children are placed in the adoption system? And how many of those actually get adopted? EVerything is not cut and dry...

Lol if i sound like im contradicting myself- im simply playing devils advocate

BTW: heres a quote i read online which i think is completely apt:

1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They already have 14 kids. Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would you consider recommending she get an abortion?
2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. the 1st is blind, the 2nd is dead, the 3rd is deaf and the 4th has TB. she finds she's pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you consider recommending abortion?
3. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married. Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset. Would you consider recommending abortion?

If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:
In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the great evangelists of the 19th century.
In the second case, you have killed Beethoven.
In the third case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black gospel singer.
If you said yes to the fourth case, you have just declared the murder of Jesus Christ!

Originally from: Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri ( and Google...lol)

 

[Ti-Tronic]

It would be better to abort the childs birth, rather than let it live in poverty with its mother and father then go and die young. In some cases it should be allowed, but not in others.

 

[UmagChris]

I just don't like to think about it, its a tough topic. On one hand some people see it as murder, yet what if the girl had been raped?

 

[Krypton6]

So, you say then that a fertilized cell is exactly equivalent to an adult human life?

No not exactly equal to an adult human life, but what I mean is, that the fertilized cell if untouched would eventually after a few months become an human being! The fertilized cell is just the earliest step in the human life, killing it when most vourable is just wrong, which is what they are doing when aborting.

Oh, here we go. So, anybody who gets raped is to blame for bringing it upon themselves? You are not a woman, you have no idea, do you? I would suggest not blurting out such presumptuous statements without a moment's consideration to what you are actually saying!

You dont need to be a woman to know anything about this. What is it that you think hapends when a woman gets raped then? Does it take place in the afternoon in a crowded street with many people, or perhaps in a small road while shes all by her self ? The womans are not to blame for being raped, but they are making it possible for the sick morons to do what they do.
A woman these days should never walk alone in a less crowded street, doing so is gambling, and once you get raped the raper is not the only one to blame but your own stupidity.
I dont see why you need to be a woman to know this!

I never made that claim. The only claim that I make is that the government does not have the right to dictate what a woman does or does not do with her body. What are they going to do, put her under house arrest? Are there not certain basic liberties that all people have, so as to not have to suffer under this type of tyranny?

No but they have the right to prevent murder during the most vourable time of human life.

If you think it's immoral, great. However, legally, you cannot make it illegal while still remaining a free people.

Yes you can, since being free has nothing to do with murder.
What your saying is the same as saying that, murder being a crime is a braking of freedom.

The problem here is that you believe that the fertilized cell should not be considered as true life, and I think it should because of the fact that while your aborting this baby inside of you your killing it while it is in the process of growing up which for me I think is the same as a human life.

But ofcourse it should not be considered the same as an adult human life, but when will you ever have to chose between any of those, its not like the womans life is ruined just because this child is born!

Why do you need to abort anyways ?? It is not needed or relevant in anyway!!! Noones life is ruined by that child being born! If you dont like how the baby looks or what ever, you can simply hand it over to the hospital and thats it!

 

[Krypton6]

I just don't like to think about it, its a tough topic. On one hand some people see it as murder, yet what if the girl had been raped?

Not many are becomming pregnant and wanting to abort as a result of rape, and even if some one was raped SO WHAT! Does letting this child be born ruin her life? Its not like she is forced to take care of it, she can as I have said a trillion times SIMPLY HAND OVER TO THE HOSPITAL!

It would be better to abort the childs birth, rather than let it live in poverty with its mother and father then go and die young. In some cases it should be allowed, but not in others.

Or if the mother does not want to take care of the baby perhaps SIMPLY HAND OVER TO THE HOSPITAL!

 

[Shredderbeam]

Is suicide legal? If you use the argument its the "womens body so her choice" , then does not that same women have the right to put a gun to her head if she wanted to. The answer is no. We live in society- by the very definition you are not "free".

Generally, people who would commit suicide are mentally unbalanced, etc., and with treatment, the majority of people are grateful that they didn't commit suicide. However, doubtless there are some people who, no matter what treatment they recieve, still want to die. This might apply to people who are terminally ill, for example.

Lol do u know how many children are placed in the adoption system? And how many of those actually get adopted? EVerything is not cut and dry...[/quoite]

The decision of whether or not to terminate a pregnancy through abortion will hardly rest upon the child's quality of life.

BTW: heres a quote i read online which i think is completely apt:

Originally from: Delberta Fluharty, of Joplin, Missouri ( and Google...lol)

Such idle speculation about who the baby might grow up to be doesn't really benefit us. It could be the next Joseph Stalin, or the next great religious leader. Who knows?

No not exactly equal to an adult human life, but what I mean is, that the fertilized cell if untouched would eventually after a few months become an human being! The fertilized cell is just the earliest step in the human life, killing it when most vourable is just wrong, which is what they are doing when aborting.

And why isn't it exactly equal to a human life? What specific characteristics about a fertilized cell seperate it from an adult human being, if it is to grow up and become one?

You dont need to be a woman to know anything about this. What is it that you think hapends when a woman gets raped then? Does it take place in the afternoon in a crowded street with many people, or perhaps in a small road while shes all by her self ? The womans are not to blame for being raped, but they are making it possible for the sick morons to do what they do.
A woman these days should never walk alone in a less crowded street, doing so is gambling, and once you get raped the raper is not the only one to blame but your own stupidity.
I dont see why you need to be a woman to know this!

First, not all rapes occur in situations when the woman is stupid. Even if they did, are you suggesting that we adopt a policy of "It's your own damn fault, go cry about it"? Quite heartless, if you ask me.

Also, you DO need to be a woman to fully understand the complex emotions that pregnancy brings forth. You speak from the position of a man, but if you could experience but a fraction of the pain they endure, your words would be silenced in awe.

No but they have the right to prevent murder during the most vourable time of human life.

It's hardly murder. It's a cell, or a group of cells! You yourself admitted that it wasn't exactly equal to a human life! The only special thing about it is that it has the potential to become a human life.

Yes you can, since being free has nothing to do with murder.
What your saying is the same as saying that, murder being a crime is a braking of freedom.

Incorrect. I'm saying that the inability of a woman to choose what she does with her own body is the breaking of freedom.

But ofcourse it should not be considered the same as an adult human life, but when will you ever have to chose between any of those, its not like the womans life is ruined just because this child is born!

What about cases where the woman's life is threatened due to complications of pregnancy, and an abortion is the only way to save her life?

Why do you need to abort anyways ?? It is not needed or relevant in anyway!!! Noones life is ruined by that child being born! If you dont like how the baby looks or what ever, you can simply hand it over to the hospital and thats it!

You can't always do that.

In any case, why a woman would need to abort is irrelevant. The right of privacy was handed to the people of the United States in the Supreme Court case of Roe vs. Wade. This means that it is a universal right of ALL people to be entitled to the privacy of their own bodies, regardless of whatever a tyrannical government may have to say!

 

[lukeb]

Yes, I believe abortion should definately be legal. Women may become pregnant from many ways, rape included. They did nothing wrong except accept a drink from a random 40-year-old in the pub, but how were they meant to know anything was going to happen...

On the other hand, if people think abortion is Illegal they have a point... They may have considered that there is a rapid change of hormones in the female system. The uteris expanding up to 300 times it's regualr size and breasts developing in many ways, all happen during pregnancy. To cut short this cycle by abortion may lead to many problems - expecially breat cancer. Reserch shows that women who have experienced abortion are SEVEN TIMES MORE LIKELY to commit suicide.

There are many ways of looking at it from both points of view.

 

[MOD Kuruzovic]

Let it be born then put it as adoption.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Let it be born then put it as adoption.

Adoption isn't always a viable option, you know.

 

[Food]

It should be illegal, If you make the mistake of having a baby when you didn't want one, It's your fault and you should have to deal with the consequences.

 

[jaamal]

not like she is forced to take care of it, she can as I have said a trillion times SIMPLY HAND OVER TO THE HOSPITAL!



Or if the mother does not want to take care of the baby perhaps SIMPLY HAND OVER TO THE HOSPITAL!

Adoption isn't always a viable option, you know.

I would take and love any child that was going to be aborted in order to save its life... And it would provide gay couples families. YEAH.




And even I had a baby by rape I wouldn't kill it...

 

[Shredderbeam]

It should be illegal, If you make the mistake of having a baby when you didn't want one, It's your fault and you should have to deal with the consequences.

Yet it's not always as simple as that.

Disregarding the circumstances of pregnancy, to each person belongs the unalienable right of privacy, in their affairs, and regarding what they do to their body. Therefore, abortion cannot be made illegal, since that would be a violation of people's privacy.

 

[the_wippit]

If you don't want a kid: Condom+pill.
If your such an idiot to have unprotected sex and get pregnant, you shouldn't kill someone just because you were a dumbass.

i agree 100% u say that the mother has the freedom to do it? but u never even give the baby freedom to live? its so unfair to end a life (even if u dont beleive the babies alive its unfair to end a life before it begans). if u make the mistake of geting pregnatnt when u dont want a baby u should live with it.

EDIT: and also u can always put a baby up for adoption and it will be loved rather then murdered, if u cant give it what it needs let someone else. Its not ur place to decide who lives and who doesnt

 

[jaamal]

Yet it's not always as simple as that.

Disregarding the circumstances of pregnancy, to each person belongs the unalienable right of privacy, in their affairs, and regarding what they do to their body. Therefore, abortion cannot be made illegal, since that would be a violation of people's privacy.

The government has a lot of powers, to force someone into a prison draft them into war and execute people. I think that forcing a person to have a baby isn't that hard since they would be tring to teach them a lesson like prison.

 

[Shredderbeam]

i agree 100% u say that the mother has the freedom to do it? but u never even give the baby freedom to live? its so unfair to end a life (even if u dont beleive the babies alive its unfair to end a life before it begans). if u make the mistake of geting pregnatnt when u dont want a baby u should live with it.

The baby has not reached consciousness; in fact, it's not even capable of being conscious for a good two or three months. It's just a conglomeration of cells. Why is it so bad to destroy it?

 

[the_wippit]

not becuase of what it is, but becuase of what it becomes, whethers it alive or not it would have become a humam being and u detroyed s humans being future, will power, and life. We all started out that way and became our amazing selves.