Disputing

Removed he was right and I was wrong.

 

[KLucius]

Phatalize has done this kind of thing in the past, every time he's reported for it mods tell him it's HIS responsibility to recover as he's the original owner. He's clearly just money hungry

 

No slander what so ever.

This is not true so ill just take care of the random bits and pieces while we wait for a mod.

he began messaging my potential customers. He blatantly told several he would refuse to recover or unlock the account. He wanted them to pay for his services.

I didn't message any customers about his account, today someone messaged me asking about my accounts, then pointed out hattez account to me since I was OO and I told him I don't take responsibility for that account anymore. "several" "began messaging" all lies.

As it stands I am the 3rd owner. @phatalize being the original and @staynbizzy being the 2nd. NO INFO was given during either sale. @phatalize is the only user with any and all information regarding the account.

I would assume this is what Hattez tells his buyers(skipping the part where he had the wrong user in the first place) and this as well is not true. He would not be the 3rd owner. And I am not the only user with "any and all information regarding the account", a lie as well.

However customers are worried about how blatantly mean and unhelping he has been.

Talked to one person for the first time today about the account, told him I don't take responsibility for it anymore.

I believe he's being difficult for a reason. With me reselling one of his accounts for half the price it completely destroys his ability to sell his pures.

This has no effect on my account sales and is no issue to me at all. I'm being "difficult" because of mixed opinions from mods and the lack of current rules for the accounts section.

He also went out of his way to axe my account sale.

That would also be untrue as I haven't talked to anyone about this account until today, when someone messaged me first.

This isnt the first, second or even third time it's been brought up to me. He's a total fucking faggot.

That would just be slander and goes against the

No slander what so ever.

It is tough for a lot of people to understand the issue behind these reports and it has NOTHING to do with the money or the unlocks/recoveries. Please try to get all the information first if you would like to post and I talk to everyone who asks me about this and explain it to them as clearly as possible.

 

@phatalize unfortunately due to you being the OO and with Hattez having valid information of the account being yours, you will be held responsible to recover the account. That being said, if @phatalize feels sketchy doing a recovery for someone, i'd recommend him to make a report first before getting approval to recover the account.

 

The original rule has always stayed the same: The creator of the account can and will be held responsible to unlock/recover. If you're unable to recover it than it's an issue. Now seeing as Im reselling the account then I'd be responsible for the money aspect. I would then move forward with being refunded from @staynbizzy he would then require a refund from you.

This is the problem with the association of account responsibility and just sending a recovery/un-lock attempt. Everyone connects these two in their head because that makes sense, but that is not true. I cannot be held responsible for an account that has been tampered with, hacked, passed around to many times because why would I be held liable for another person mistakes. I keep the accounts very secure and sell to one person and I am always there to help with any issues, what they decide to do with the account after that is up to them, it is their account. This was also confirmed in the last "scam report".

okay not sure why no one has ruled on this yet... the verdict is as follows:

@staynbizzy - you're at fault for this. @phatalize shouldn't be on the hook for your stupidity.

Reporting Phatalize

You were able to successfully recover the account when it was locked last time. It took you 3 attempts. Now I dont know for certain but I'd cover the odds on you making it take 3 attempts. You're a down right fucking prick.

it took 3 attempts because I had to input new and different information on all attempts. The only way I was able to get a successful recovery on an account with this many issues was because I spent a lot of time doing it, and I know my way around Jagex's recovery system. I don't believe I should be expected to do this with with all the accounts I sell, and with whoever that buyer decides to go deal with next. If this was about the money I would just buy back the accounts and sell them for a profit, easy as that. Obviously that is not the issue here.

 

okay not sure why no one has ruled on this yet... the verdict is as follows:

@staynbizzy - you're at fault for this. @phatalize shouldn't be on the hook for your stupidity.

Reporting Phatalize

it was already decided in the last report, read it and you can see this is the same account.

 

[Dave]

Guys, I'm going to make this very clear and there are no further questions after this. If the account is hacked/stolen/etc, it's not on Phatalize, he is not the one responsible. This account has been sold COUNTLESS times, there's no way the original owner can be held liable for everything that happens after his original sale, especially if the account is constantly being re-sold.

That being said - if the account is hacked/stolen/locked/etc. then Phatalize will be required to submit a valid recovery request to get the account back, but if it fails there are a boatload of factors to take into consideration.

This shouldn't be confusing to anyone. Phatalize merely used specific words such as "liable for the account" but the truth is he is NOT liable, he is merely going to be forced to send in a recovery. What happens after that is not a black and white answer.

 

@Dave how many resales are allowed before the original owner can no longer be held liable in the case the account can't be recovered?

I understand OO should submit an appeal anyway to help but ultimately won't lose out in $

Perhaps if this was made clear in the rules with a set number these issues wouldn't happen

 

@Dave how many resales are allowed before the original owner can no longer be held liable in the case the account can't be recovered?

I understand OO should submit an appeal anyway to help but ultimately won't lose out in $

Perhaps if this was made clear in the rules with a set number these issues wouldn't happen

They say every account has to be dealt with on a case by case basis because of all the unique factors and that makes sense. It is tough to make rules for this stuff but something should be more laid out so this doesn't continue to happen, it's 2 full threads about the same account.

 

This is from staynbizzy on that report, I'm not sure if you can quote old reports.

My email was hacked a month ago, I believe the hackers had targeted me since I have had an elysian spirit shield on my main.
Only account they could of get on the email was the maxed ags pure of Phatalize.
Luckily I only had around 60m07 on the pure but they took the pure also.

Reporting Phatalize

For someone who 100% knows the account history and fully read ALL reports maybe you should have read them more closely, or you're just lying.

 

This is from staynbizzy on that report, I'm not sure if you can quote old reports.

My email was hacked a month ago, I believe the hackers had targeted me since I have had an elysian spirit shield on my main.
Only account they could of get on the email was the maxed ags pure of Phatalize.
Luckily I only had around 60m07 on the pure but they took the pure also.

Reporting Phatalize

For someone who 100% knows the account history and fully read ALL reports maybe you should have read them more closely, or you're just lying.

I was unaware it was hacked. God damnit your right and im completely wrong. Fuck me

 

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