Vouch System

SkullPi · Jul 30, 2014

Hi all.

So after thorough thought and consideration; I had a couple points of feedback to relay on the community members. Currently, our vouch system works as anything except for graphic sales is vouchable. Now, with that being said, the definition of a vouch states: "confirm that someone is who they say they are or that they are of good character." Trust is the keyword behind giving out vouches. They correlate into trust - which, when one vouches for someone, that says they are trustworthy, thus, more vouches equal more trust.

That stated since nearly everything is "vouchable", how does that completely define trust? In example, lets say I trade with Ryan. I go first to Ryan because he is a lot more trustworthy than me. After the trade, where does any trust come in on my part? I follow through with my end - but if I didn't, I wouldn't necessarily get banned, or it wouldn't warrant a trade with caution, because I didn't scam nor did I attempt to scam.

The issue at hand is that a lot of traders can go first to more trusted traders for hundreds of trades, correlating into hundreds of vouches, with them going first. After gaining a couple hundred vouches, with them still showing no trust, they can go ahead and trade a newcomer for 1B GP, and of course, the newcomer would go first to someone who has 200+ vouches (ideally). The said user can scam the newcomer, without any hard work put into their account.

I apologize if my post becomes confusing or hard to read at times, I am just trying to write my thoughts down on our whole vouch system, and hopefully we can collaborate into creating a system where this can prevent scams.

I can clear up any misunderstanding or mis-communication within, so feel free to post.

Thanks for viewing.

Biofighter · Jul 30, 2014

If someone really wants to waste their whole time on sythe - collecting 200 vouches just to scam a user and be banned... That's just sad and petty.

Secondly on this point: 200 vouches would mean they've put either a lot of money or a lot of effort (skill training, league boosting) into gaining these vouches, meaning they'd be less likely to want to throw away their effort

Although recent times it doesn't seem like the case; 90% of vouched users are completely legit and will not try pull a scam.

If you're truly worried about being scammed; I'd suggest trading people who have the "sythe verified user" rank - this will mean they have given all their personal information to sythe.org and in the chance of a scam, the information will be given to the victim.
SVU users generally are slightly more expensive than new users, but the premium comes with the near guarentee that you will not be scammed.

If you want to read more about SVU - http://sythe.org/usercenter/faqs.html#sytheverified
I hope I've covered everything

Wonderland · Jul 30, 2014

SkullPi said:
hopefully we can collaborate into creating a system where this can prevent scams.

You can't prevent scams. Any additional effort into creating a new system would be a waste of time in my opinion.

Matt · Jul 30, 2014

If someone buy something at a certain price and sell the same thing for the same price, it is obvious that he is just doing that for vouches. It will result in an infraction. If a newcomer buys 5M EOCgp 20x in a day, he will probably get a TWC because it is obvious its for vouches. You can tell people who is here for vouches and then gunna scam. But yes I still dont get why graphics... dont count as vouches. We put time, effort in a piece of work for hours.. and they usually pay before the graphic is done. So that counts as a trusting the user. Anyways, I know it can be confusing but yea we cant change it. Vouches demonstrate that a trade have been successful with this user. That said, there is more chances that a user trading this user will have a successful trade.

Pieyou · Jul 30, 2014

Scammer can come from the most trustworth of all. There will never been a 100% scammer free market.

LoLSmurfin · Jul 30, 2014

It's up to buyers to determine the quality of a trader's vouches. You can't fix careless or stupid; scams do that.

Rivz · Jul 30, 2014

You act like somebody could never say never mind, regardless. A person who goes second can still refund the person, pay them for what they have already done, etc. They can not finish their part of the trade, and still not be considered a scammer if they are noble.

Also, someone who goes first, then decides to not follow through, may not be labeled as a scammer, but I've seen plenty of people get called out for their sketchiness towards something.

"So, you wanna trade?"
"Yeah man, sure. Who do you want to use as MM?"
-Deletes Skype Contact-

You can report suspicious activity.

And, if someone were to change their mind before the trade began, that's perfectly understandable.

I think you're overcomplicating the system.

Chris · Jul 31, 2014

What CoinKing did basically destroyed all of what you said.

Aesiir · Jul 31, 2014

It's one of those situations where you should look at their vouches to see if your trade has similar value to any trades that person has done before. When I first started out, I sold a WoW account for 100M RSGP in which the other user went first. So you can take that as a 100M value vouch that I won't scam it. But then you can argue, that vouch is from a couple years ago so it's not quite the same. Now I have a vouch where the user went first with 80M, so now my vouches are worth 80M per transaction. Hopefully that makes sense (sorry about the grammar, kinda lazy right now). You also have to make sure that the vouches not only have value but are in a similar market to what your transaction is. It's a lot harder to trust someone that is selling an account when all they've done is training services. Most of my vouches are from selling accounts so I'm more of a trusted account seller with no reports of recovered accounts. However, if I were to sell RS gold, then you would have to be skeptical because, even though I have a decent amount of vouches, I am new to that specific market place. In the end, it's up to users to look at vouches and make their own decisions. If anything else fails, use an OMM.

MrEvilPwns said:
What CoinKing did basically destroyed all of what you said.

CoinKing is an outlier.

Ericdizzle · Aug 2, 2014

I'm so torn apart about this. I like the vouch system but, after that plznate shit happened i'm scared to trust sythe himself. I like this idea but, IDK. I want my cake and to eat it too on this one.

nodnarbusn · Aug 2, 2014

Ghast said:
You can't prevent scams. Any additional effort into creating a new system would be a waste of time in my opinion.

This

I mean I like the new idea but it will be ineffective. Regardless of vouch system people will continue to scam, regardless of ANYTHING people will scam, and at the end of the day I dont think this will prevent any.

Impulser · Aug 2, 2014

nodnarbusn said:
This

I mean I like the new idea but it will be ineffective. Regardless of vouch system people will continue to scam, regardless of ANYTHING people will scam, and at the end of the day I dont think this will prevent any.

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