Gurtaton
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Agreed. But I think you should always separate your vouches into different categories so that people can judge by their qualities more easily (refer to my vouch thread in sig).
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Agreed. But I think you should always separate your vouches into different categories so that people can judge by their qualities more easily (refer to my vouch thread in sig).
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You only quoted my post...
No matter the worth of the training, it conveys that the user has been trusted on someone's account. Naturally, those kinds of vouches are not to referenced for someone's accountability.
Usually it is the first few vouches of a Sythe user that are that insignificant, due to the need to build up at least a small amount of trust on the site. I do agree with you though, people that have Vouch threads filled with free skilling don't deserve the Vouches.
Yes, I'm sorry, that remark was immature and defensive. Looking at your vouches, I can also see that it was insignificant and ignorant :embar:
The main issue that many people have stated is that GFX doesn't require placing trust in the creator. I make GFX too, I understand your desire for recognition for your work. I was actually thinking about suggesting a different form of Feedback for GFX specifically for the Graphics forum.
Sorry, I didn't realize I quoted your post, but I wasn't aiming that specifically at you, haha, just people in general.
The main problem I have is with trades that use MMs in general. Take this trade for example:
A is selling 5M gold to B for $5 using an OMM.
A gives 5M gold to OMM. B sends money. OMM gives 5M gold to B.
Or the alternate instance where B scams, OMM just gives the 5M gold back to A.
In both cases, A risked ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, yet still receives a vouch for being "totally legit, smooth, fast, realiable... bleh, bleh, bleh..." So I dont' see how you can use the reason there's no risk involved as grounds to ban vouches. There are a lot of trades that occur on Sythe.org with little to no risk to one or both parties.
Lastly, there IS risk involved. Time = money.
The buyer is risking that the sig maker ripped the image from someone else, and that they might try to resell it to other people after you bought it.
The sig maker is risking that after spending hours on a quality sig, that they will just run after getting it.
IMOH, there's much more risk involved in some GFX trades than some RS trades, yet one is banned, and one isn't.
I always assumed that the traders vouched for the MM, and not eachother. That's what I've always done.
As long as you add a noticable watermark to the GFX, doesn't that eliminate the risk of the buyer running?
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That's assuming the buyer pays first, however, sometimes the artist gives the image first. Well that part can be minimized, it can also be minimized in other types of trades, yet other trades are still vouch-able (not a word, I know).
That still doesn't eliminate the risk of the artist ripping the sig from someone else and trying to sell it here, OR them selling the same sig to multiple members, even though they promised a unique sig to the buyer.
Time also equals money. If I work on a sig for 7 hours for a member, versus someone training an account for an hour, which would you trust more? I would trust the guy who spent 7 hours of his time to get a job done, versus someone who did a quick job. Yet the guy who spent 7 hours gets no vouch, while the guy who might have raised someone a few levels get vouched. To me, that's extremely misleading. A scammer isn't going to spend hours and hours of his or her time doing something, they're going to try to do small jobs that require little time to get as many vouches as they can before they try to scam.
All I'm trying to prove is that there is a certain risk involved in GFX trades. Regardless, the risk level shouldn't even be a factor in the argument. In my example previously, I've showed that members can risk absolutely nothing, and still get vouched, so how can the reason there's no risk involved be grounds to ban vouches on GFX trades?
Everybody doesnt have that kind of time
And people who have already collected a substancial amout of vouches wud take a while to make it all catergory
Selling GFX has the same risk as using an OMM.
Theres nothing in the rules that say if somone makes a GFX the other person can't say thanks for making me it or paid them x ammount for it. WAY different than a vouch, usually it involves something that there are alot of RS upgrades, XBL live, MSP, ect. Each GFX is unique to th customer. You can't really say "vouch bought a gfx from him" and have it be the same as me spending $100 on a account. Feedback do not equal vouches.
Remember what a vouch is - if you feel that someone who made you graphics is trustworthy and worth your support, then vouch for them all you wish, just make clear that you are vouching for them, not the legitimacy of their graphics.
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So basically a member can vouch a graphics designer saying "Vouch! Very honest, friendly and easy to work with."?
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Buying an image for $100 is exactly the same as buying an account for $100. What's the difference? Both are products that someone is selling. It doesn't matter how unique or common the product it, that doesn't determine the legitimacy of the trade or vouch.
I can easily say, "Vouch, bought a sig from him for $10." How isn't that completely legitimate? And feedback = vouches, at least that is what people have been preaching lately. I agree vouches should mean you trust them, but the fact is anyone and everyone vouches for anything. Ask members on here, and most will say vouches are simply a way of keeping record of a trade taking place, not necessarily that they really "trust" that person. With that being said, if that is the common perception, why shouldn't you be allowed to vouch for a piece of GFX? Even if it wasn't, it's still a product/service you're selling for money, it's as much of a trade as anything else traded on here.