GFX > Vouches?
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traythemayday
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No risk in making gfx lol
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Money wise maybe; but you're saying the artists time isn't worth anything?
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Graphics are sold on Sythe for funny amounts and therefore people think there is no problem stealing a design from someone.
Making "pro" graphics is a lot of hard work and not to mention time. A good signature could take up to 3-5 hours of hard work. In other communities it would be sold for 30-100 dollars while on Sythe just for $5. That does not make it right to steal graphics or edit some else's work and claim it's yours.
In the real world, someone could be brought to court for such a crime. Sued.
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Runescape accounts on the other hand couldn't be sold for over $500. They are worth less than graphics and it takes much more time to train them to a certain level. Nor can you sue someone for tricking you in an accounts transaction as you're both doing something illegal. Although it is possible to recover a Runescape account - but you can't recover your graphics (in other words, your hard work and time you put to make the design)
So why shouldn't graphics be vouched for when they are worth more and you basically risk your own time? I have been scammed before 3/5 of the times I made graphics for people. I once worked for 7 hours making someone an animated banner because he told me beforehand he will pay me $30-$50. At the end he just logged out without paying me.
With the $30 I could have gotten I could have bought a good account or even 25M. But then vouches do count for you when you buy/sell gold?
Watermarks help so long the other guy doesn't cancel his order after you worked for 5 hrs. With accounts, there isn't a big deal if someone cancels their order.
In conclusion, graphics are worth more, impossible to recover and designers are taking a risk every single time as the requesting member could always cancel at the last minute.
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You can save the design for later, but no one will buy it as it most likely doesn't fit their request. Requests are unique and the chances two requests will be the same is a million to one.
Making "pro" graphics is a lot of hard work and not to mention time. A good signature could take up to 3-5 hours of hard work. In other communities it would be sold for 30-100 dollars while on Sythe just for $5. That does not make it right to steal graphics or edit some else's work and claim it's yours.
In the real world, someone could be brought to court for such a crime. Sued.
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Runescape accounts on the other hand couldn't be sold for over $500. They are worth less than graphics and it takes much more time to train them to a certain level. Nor can you sue someone for tricking you in an accounts transaction as you're both doing something illegal. Although it is possible to recover a Runescape account - but you can't recover your graphics (in other words, your hard work and time you put to make the design)
So why shouldn't graphics be vouched for when they are worth more and you basically risk your own time? I have been scammed before 3/5 of the times I made graphics for people. I once worked for 7 hours making someone an animated banner because he told me beforehand he will pay me $30-$50. At the end he just logged out without paying me.
With the $30 I could have gotten I could have bought a good account or even 25M. But then vouches do count for you when you buy/sell gold?
Watermarks help so long the other guy doesn't cancel his order after you worked for 5 hrs. With accounts, there isn't a big deal if someone cancels their order.
In conclusion, graphics are worth more, impossible to recover and designers are taking a risk every single time as the requesting member could always cancel at the last minute.
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You can save the design for later, but no one will buy it as it most likely doesn't fit their request. Requests are unique and the chances two requests will be the same is a million to one.
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well its the same for GFX.
I don't see why you couldn't vouch under these circumstances:
Someone makes a sig with a watermark
Puts it up for sale
Person gives them gp
Watermark is removed, person's sythe name is added to sig
To me it's not much different than selling a runescape name
Someone makes a sig with a watermark
Puts it up for sale
Person gives them gp
Watermark is removed, person's sythe name is added to sig
To me it's not much different than selling a runescape name
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Yer I think There should be a GFX Feedback thread, Thanks for the support =)
tfw 2hi lmao
Not reading any of your opinions on this because most of you aren't involved.
It's fucking bullshit. I do graphics all of the time and I'd love to get vouches for them. It takes just the same amount of *trust* because either person vouch STILL ALWAYS scam. It's a load of horse that graphics users are left out.
We shouldn't get our own "special feedback" bullshit that nobody outside of the graphics section gives a damn about.
We deserve our rights! Liberty, bitches.
It's fucking bullshit. I do graphics all of the time and I'd love to get vouches for them. It takes just the same amount of *trust* because either person vouch STILL ALWAYS scam. It's a load of horse that graphics users are left out.
We shouldn't get our own "special feedback" bullshit that nobody outside of the graphics section gives a damn about.
We deserve our rights! Liberty, bitches.
I hate how vouches are treated as a tangible thing on sythe. I can vouch for someone if I FUCKING WANT TO. A vouch is saying I trust them and so should you. I can vouch for someone without doing a trade. Isn't that the point? But no, rules are here to tell me what I can and can't vouch for.
tfw 2hi lmao
I forget where I saw it, but a website says that "Sythe.org is an online trading community where the currency is a "vouch" where one user...blah..blah"
Seriously? Currency?
When you vouch for someone, you are communicating to other users that they can trust this user. What if someone sells 100 pieces of GFX (which involves no trust or risk for the seller, if you use watermarks), and then goes into the Marketplace and scams $300? The person they scammed will see that they have 100 vouches and, thinking they are trading a trusted user, go first or use some kind of foolhardy behaviour that results in their money being taken.
I know as a buyer, I am less likely to take screenies/vids of trades with highly trusted members. If this 100 vouches member scams users, it could take several trades for him to get caught.
While I would like recognition for my GFX work, I do not support Vouches. Maybe the staff could impliment a different kind of system to reward Graphics creators, but it would have to be distincly different from vouches.
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Just like there's minimal risk involved in skilling or training-like services. How does me leveling someone from 1-25 firemaking show I'm trusted? Oh wait, it doesn't.
No risk involved, just time... like all the torso, firecape, skilling, and training services. How is there risk at all involved when a person can recover their account back at any time. The only possible thing that could go wrong is that they level the wrong skill. You're honestly telling me that a newbie who raises someone's level from 1 to 20 for free deserves a vouch, yet someone who spends hours on GFX for someone deserves nothing? You're trusting the person not to resell the GFX they sold you. You're trusting that person to actually give you the GFX in the end and not run.
It's no different than selling gp and using a MM. If you use a MM, the person buying the GP has ABSOLUTELY NO RISK PERIOD, yet he or she can still receive a vouch. Most of the people's logic on here is seriously flawed.
You're right, because the guy who has 50 vouches for doing free training services for people under level 30 should really be trusted... You've got to be kidding me. You allow people to vouch for practically anything, yet not GFX?
I have 20 vouches, and 4 or five are from free training. If you look at a couple of my last trades, several are over $25.
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Where exactly did I specifically state you? I wasn't talking about you or even slightly hinting at you. I was making a true statement, there are many members who get 20, 30, 50 some vouches all for free account training. I'm making the argument that how is it someone can spend an hour on a crappy account usually, raising a random level from 1 to 25, and receive a vouch. Yet someone who might spend hours or even days on a piece of GFX, get absolutely nothing in the end. There's minimal risk in both trades.
Lastly, can we leave the 3rd grade internet remarks out of our posts? Thanks.
You only quoted my post...
No matter the worth of the training, it conveys that the user has been trusted on someone's account. Naturally, those kinds of vouches are not to referenced for someone's accountability.
Usually it is the first few vouches of a Sythe user that are that insignificant, due to the need to build up at least a small amount of trust on the site. I do agree with you though, people that have Vouch threads filled with free skilling don't deserve the Vouches.
Yes, I'm sorry, that remark was immature and defensive. Looking at your vouches, I can also see that it was insignificant and ignorant :embar:
The main issue that many people have stated is that GFX doesn't require placing trust in the creator. I make GFX too, I understand your desire for recognition for your work. I was actually thinking about suggesting a different form of Feedback for GFX specifically for the Graphics forum.
I understand where you are coming from but really I don't see why we have vouch restrictions. If we had the itrader feedback system it would make sense to limit when feedback could be given.
A legitimate vouch would be me vouching for a friend who joined a site and saying Yeah he's trustworthy blah blah blah.
But of course that's against the rules even though that's the closest thing to a real vouch (whether its true or not is for you to decide)
Whats more ridiculous then GFX vouches is when people get vouches for going 2nd. I mean seriously you weren't trusted with anything so why?
A legitimate vouch would be me vouching for a friend who joined a site and saying Yeah he's trustworthy blah blah blah.
But of course that's against the rules even though that's the closest thing to a real vouch (whether its true or not is for you to decide)
Whats more ridiculous then GFX vouches is when people get vouches for going 2nd. I mean seriously you weren't trusted with anything so why?
If a graphic is being traded as an item, or the creation of a graphic (a service) being commissioned, then a vouch is acceptable: an item or service has been exchanged for money. If this is not the current policy, I would, too, like to know why.