Do not ban for past actions...

People change. Its an amazing concept for most people but they do. What does a market ban + TWC do? Nothing. They never scammed. They phished. Someone that can be done with any leecher account. It has nothing to do with the market, so a market ban makes no sense at all.

Right, but thats getting into international politics and relationships and laws and it just doesn't translate well to a internet setting. I'd love to hear what you think about this, unless you were trying to show what you thought in that.

 

Stupid... it always carriers over think about it this way... u get punished in school... and u change schools... everything u did in ur old school is gonna carry over u cant change that...

 

I do agree with this, however people do know what the risks are by trading online and the risks are overwhelming.

Most those whom do get scammed online are those who don't take all of the proper precautions.

Although I'm not stating scamming is justifiable, it certainly is wrong, but there are ways to avoid it.

 

Well, the main reason I got started on this was due to someone getting banned for saying that they used to phish. I thought that in a situation like that its pretty clear that they no longer phish because if they did why would they admit it if they knew it was against Sythe rules? Now if someone someone found out and proved that a member used to phish it could be an entirely different story. This type of thing doesn't happen very often so it would just be up to the moderators discretion. If the person was a very active helpful contributer to the community whose never done anything wrong then a ban just hurts them and the community.

As for paying for damages they have caused in the past... It really doesn't seem like our business. The people that they have hurt in the past are not on Sythe and even though what they did is not good its not apart of Sythe and trying to get them to do the right thing would be great but you would agree this website isn't a fix peoples problems website. I find that the major issues at play are things like, should they be punished for what they did and do we want their "kind" here? and the safety of the other members of the community.

Many people have stated that they do not want people who have scammed in the past here as they will just scam and we should ban them so they do not have a chance to, which is obviously for the protection of the site. However, the way I see it is that if its a leecher that is found to have scammed like 2 years before they joined will either become a great member of the community or scam. If they scam, a ban would have done nothing as they would have just ban evaded and scammed anyways. A highly trusted member on the other hand who gets outed to have scammed in the past before Sythe has already proven themselves changed so why should be ban them after they have contributed so much?

I'm looking at this issue from the standpoint of helping the community grow and stay strong. The less bans that are given out to people that may end up being amazingly helpful nice people, the better the community will be and the more people will want to stay.

 

I apologize for not clarifying my beliefs, in a simpler expression, I believe that the punishment could be a bit extreme.

Instead of permitting such drastic punishments perhaps just warn others of the actions these rule breakers have took part in.

 

Most of the real world analogies that people create are horribly flawed and thus I tend to try to steer clear of them. Governments have a responsibility to punish those who do wrong as they are made to govern the people and work for them (in some cases... Don't bash me for saying that please!) and have the resources available to punish them in the best manner. Sythe just in't like a government or country at all.

 

•Should people be banned for things that they did before they came to Sythe? Yes, think about it irl, u have bad credit, u cant get a loan from the bank.
•Does what specific thing they did before matter? (Scamming = ban but hacking doesn't) hacking can do more damage then scamming, hacking can be a result of multiple scams so that shud as well b a ban.
•What purpose does a ban serve? How does it help the community? Well it simply keeps other players from being scammed or not being phished or get keylogged.
•Should Sythe be punishing people for what they did before they agreed to the Sythe.org rules? It depends, if it's bad, it goes back to my first answer, if it's nothing bad, as in maybe abusive language, then no.

 

You can not subject something that is based on lending solutions.

Exactly, yet people allow themselves to be manipulated by these people knowing the risk and the past actions of these specific individuals.

 

Here is my two cents.

•Should people be banned for things that they did before they came to Sythe? What happened in Vegas stays in Vegas. I think it comes down to the persons intentions, if they have joined Sythe as regular member and sworn to change their ways then they will only help the community. So to answer your question no they shouldn’t be banned for past actions.


•Does what specific thing they did before matter? (Scamming = ban but hacking doesn't) Yes it may be a hard and long process but every persons case should be looked at different, being 13 years old and scamming some Runescape accounts or items is something you should be able to look past but when does someone cross the line? What if that person is now 20 and steals money, hacks other accounts uses RATS and so on.


•What purpose does a ban serve? How does it help the community? Banning someone for their past actions won’t help the community as that person is most likely to ban evade time and time again. An appropriate action may be to give them a TWC or even repay what they “did” in the past (if possible).


•Should Sythe be punishing people for what they did before they agreed to the Sythe.org rules? See first answer but no.

 

Right, but people are not always smart. New people who have come to the site may in some thread mention that they had done something bad in the past because it had some relevance to the thread. Like you said later:

Which I think you mean that highly known or trusted members get pardoned...

Going with thats what you mean... Yea, the person that lets something slip could be trusted already and get a pardon or it could be a newbie. The newbie wouldn't get one of the pardons and instead would be banned. Admitting to a past mistake to me is proof enough that they have changed or why would they lie about it?

What I would really want is just a policy or rule that made it so that you would not be banned for anything that you did before you visited or registered on Sythe. This does present some risk in not banning someone who may have scammed in the past and then they could scam again but compared to the current system what I'm proposing just makes more sense. The rewards from allowing these people onto Sythe could be a great person who ends up being an amazing mod. Its fair to them to give them a chance.

Honestly, people are not smart and they deserve a chance.

 

1. Think about it in terms of the internet.
2. Hacking doesn't require an account. Banning someone who has the skills to hack people, but may not anymore would just serve to piss him off and make him use his skills. If they had not banned him he could have been an amazing member of the community.
3. Not really. If the person is a leecher, then they will just ban evade. If the person is trusted, then they have proved themselves.
4. Why should Sythe punish people for things that didn't happen here?

2. This is about past issues. Saying he is now 20 and steals things... Is the present which is a different issue.

 

Yeah I realised that after I posted it, so I would stick with no they shouldn’t be banned.

 

I don't think anyone is really arguing this. I completely disagree with you, although it might seem a tad harsh. But really, no matter what the offense was, (I'm assuming it was bannable) it shouldn't be forgotten here.

The fact is: They fucked up.

It was that persons choice to break the rules, therefor they should suffer the consequences. Yes, even if they came from a different site, they still did it. They might be sorry about it, but it still happened. Any and all punishments they received was brought upon by themselves.

 

Everyone has fucked up in their lives and gets forgiven for it. Why shouldn't Sythe?

Sythe rules can't be followed if you have never been to Sythe.

You can't punish someone if they broke a rule of a site they have never been to or knew it was against the rules.

Whats to gain from punishing them? Answer that. Please.

 

It's only fair to question the persons legitimacy if they've already been banned from other sites. I don't see it so much as a punishment, but as a safety precaution.

Again, it's their own fault.