I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

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I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)
  1. Unread #1 - Sep 1, 2025 at 1:24 PM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    Scammer's profile link: Kings of Stake, Soul Rich | Sell & Trade Game Items | OSRS Gold | ELO
    Amount scammed: Abuse of position
    Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: @deal2264, @flashed0174, @castlekos
    Proof that it's their Discord: imgur.com

    How they scammed: They abuse their rank/power, they involve themselves in things they shouldn't and they make decisions based on what happens on other servers (within insured amounts)

    I want to keep SI(Sports Island) out of this, however I have to mention it a few times for you to see the whole picture.

    So, I joined KOS in the summer of 2024. I paid 3k$ in LTC for a 400m 07 limit hosting rank and after a few weeks I upgraded to a 1b 07 rank for an additional 2k$ in LTC. (So total investment is 5k$).
    This rank's weekly payment is 90m 07 (or 20% of that week's profit) - which I had to pay every week if I wanted to stay active, even if I haven't hosted that week.

    They mentioned in their TOS that rank purchases have no refund option, not even for a short amount of time or for new ranks. I understand that, but it doesn't come with any buyers protection. Everything has a return/refund policy nowadays.

    I honestly tried my best to make as much money as I could, but it wasn't working that well. I gave it a few tries, then around December 2024 I asked them to refund me because I was making in average around 0.5-2$/hour, without taxes (so around 1-1.5$/h)
    I had a conversation with Castle, then he forwarded me to Reaper.

    In short: They said they could do something about it, refunding me 25% or 1.5k$. It never happened though.

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    I also found a potential buyer who was willing to buy my rank for 4k$, but they said no to that as well..

    (Side note: I was hosting sports within KOS, specifically in their other server called DGC, it was somehow profitable, I profited around 1k$ until that whole RC split happened, so under ~9-10 months, but it went dead in 2025)

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    I joined SI(Sports Island) in the beginning of 2025 as a host.
    Both parts knew that I was in SI and KOS respectively. One owner or KOS told me to keep things separated, whatever happens in KOS or SI.
    In July I wasn't able to pay a bettor, I told Kluch(owner of SI) right away, he sorted it and we agreed to that I will pay him back until the end of august. I guess I was insured for that amount, since it was below my max limit.
    I took full responsibility for that and I assured him that I will pay him back as soon as I can.
    It was 600-700$ and It came with a deserved derank.
    I also mention that I owe around 250$ to 2 other SI hosts, but they are not in the "insured" territory, so I don't add it to the sum.

    I managed to pay ~half of my debt back to Kluch until the end of august and I told them that I will pay the rest in the middle of September.

    Why only the half?
    So eventually I had IRL problems, which brought financial problems as well. Initially my previous work's contract ended on 31th of may. The last salary I got was in the beginning of June.

    I could've continued working with that firm, however I got much better offers from two other firms, making my salary 2.5x in total. I have two main jobs atm. So eventually I accepted these offers, even though I knew I won't have any income for 2 months - but looking at the bigger/long term picture, that was the best possible decision I've made for my future.
    The only problem in the short term was that my contracts started on 15th of July and 1st of august respectively.
    In my country, salaries are paid in the next month, so August's salary will be paid in the middle of September.

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    Problems with KOS:

    I was going harder on hosting in KOS, wanting to pay my debts to Kluch as soon as possible, but eventually nothing changed, I was still making around 1-2$/h after taxes.

    I messaged the owners (4th of august) and asked for a solution because making 1$-2.5$/h in 2025 WITH a 5k$ investment, not even mentioning the time put in, is unacceptable.

    (Just to put it into perspective:
    With net 2$/h, making back my investment would take:
    2500 hours or 104 full days or 312.5 days with 8h of work.)

    So the only message I got was from Reaper and he told me to message the owners.
    The owners obviously haven't replied at all for 2 weeks.

    But suddenly they message me because of my debt with SI and made me inactive in KOS as a rank.

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    They said that I'm ignoring Kluch (I replied in 41 minutes) and they can make me inactive even though I haven't hurt anyone in KOS in any ways...

    I'm owing Kluch since the end of July and they made me inactive on 15th of august in KOS.
    So, If I wanted - hypothetically - I had 2 weeks when I could've scammed out of KOS, but I hosted instead, trying to make money.

    I tried my best to be as transparent as I could, trying to bring them proper reasoning, trying to understand their side, but eventually I came to a conclusion that they don't really care about their workers and they treat their hosts in a questionable, abusive manner when it comes to problem solving - and a part of it is not even their problem or at least shouldn't be.
    I gave them information I shouldn't ever even have to, I was replying fairly fast and I was trying to meet in the middle and sort the problem as fast as possible.
    As I paid half of the debt I owed to Kluch, they went silent, no responses, even though Deal specifically said that he can't do anything without Kluch's input. Well after the input he is silent to this day (over 1 week).

    In short:
    - I paid 5k$ for my KOS rank, also paid around 6b 07 in weekly fees during this 1+ year and around 1b 07 fine for various reasons.
    - My max limit is 1b 07 or 10b rs3 - that's 160-180$, so 1/31 of the 5k I invested.
    Meaning the max bet I could take at once is 1b 07.
    - I don't have clear information how much they consider "safety deposit" from the 5k, but I suppose it should be around 1.5k$ at least.
    - I was having problems making fair amount, enough/h with their service provided - giving it a word got ignored

    My questions towards sythe mods, KOS ppl and other users:
    -Do you think it's fair to make a host inactive in this situation who is fully insured, if they haven't hurt anyone in your server, he is fairly limited to scam and on top of that they make you some profit while hosting?
    -Do they cut your electricity if you don't pay for your internet service provider?
    -If you would rent 2 houses from 2 separate landlords, with safety deposit paid, would they make you pay/kick you out from both of them if you made a mess in only one of them?
    I could go on...

    My request:
    Since mutual respect is not given, they have questionable decisions, not normal - sometimes abusive ways of dealing with me as a host, they don't reply to messages and avoid answering my questions or problems, they don't provide a service which lives up to the investment they asked for and they happen to have double standards, I want to get out of KOS and I'm requesting a 2.5k$ refund.

    I came to this amount based on the facts that I've asked for a 80% refund before, however they were willing to sort me with around 25% of what I invested or 1-1.5k$.
    Also 2.5k$ seems fair for both parties considering the above mentioned problems and they will be left with around 3.5k$ profit from me being a host at KOS.

    Also, I'm willing to receive this amount after I sort my debts with SI people to avoid misunderstandings and prevent the invention of possible negative background thoughts.
     
  3. Unread #2 - Sep 1, 2025 at 4:59 PM
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  5. Unread #3 - Sep 2, 2025 at 11:03 AM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    It's funny that a scammer is really trying to post a report to get some money. To clarify EXACT, FACTUAL INFORMATION on what happened, JINZ0 took 2x $200 bets in Sports Island, another gambling server, the bettor won, and JINZ0 didn't pay the bettor out, NOT EVEN THE INITIAL BET, because he somehow "didn't have any funds" (...which later we found he actually SOLD the bettors $ for IRL and to pay other debts)...what most would portray to be, a scam. JINZ0 himself doesn't even deny this happening, this is a fact and what caused the issue(s).

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    JINZ0, a rank in KOS, was also ranked in Sports ISLAND server.

    1) On 29th July, Kluch, the owner of Sports Island, messaged us saying that JINZ0 had scammed $800 in their server, and he was de-ranked, and gave us a warning as he was ranked in our server: imgur.com

    2) We both agreed he's probably not scamming, and maybe indeed times were tough and we gave him the benefit of doubt and gave him WEEKS to pay Kluch back - without us getting involved, or telling him anything. Note, this is on 29th July: imgur.com

    3) On 15th August after OVER 2 WEEKS, I contacted Kluch myself to see any status update on JINZ0, to find out he'd still not paid a penny back to Kluch: imgur.com

    4) We were also told he's not answering, or keeping Kluch updated on anything, as you can see from the following picture, we were clearly continuing to give him benefit of doubt - at this point, we'd still not messaged JINZ0 from our end: imgur.com

    NOTE: At this point, JINZ0 was completely unaware we knew about the problems for previous 2-3 WEEKS and were monitoring him secretly. Only when weeks had passed and he'd not paid back Kluch or even kept good communications with him, we decided to make him inactive UNTIL HE PAID BACK (which is what we told him). At this point, we had no idea if he was scamming out, or what. At the end of the day, he took bettors money and didn't pay them back. Make of it what you will.

    5) On the same day, 15th August, Me and the Sports Island Owner, Kluch, which is where he "scammed", were deciding on next steps. At this point as per Kluch, due to him completely ignoring him, and not having paid back, I decided to finally make him inactive in our server due to a potential liability/risk, as he's not shown intentions of paying back after being given good time. imgur.com

    6) On the same day, we made a group chat with him, which up until now, is where communications have been between us - him and Kluch. I asked MANY basic questions such as why if he didn't have funds he couldn't even pay back the initial bet to the bettor: imgur.com

    7) JINZ0's response as to what he did with the bettor's $400: imgur.com
    He withdrew $200 for himself...and paid a $200 debt he had to a friend...with someone else's money...and ended up losing the bet and owing the guy $800...right, makes complete sense.

    8) Since the 21st, I was waiting for input from Kluch, and the only response I got was "he paid $288" a few days ago, around 36% of the total he owes: imgur.com

    At the end of the day, he took a bet knowing he didn't have the funds to payout, he had poor communication to Kluch, we gave him a fair chance for WEEKS to let it resolve itself with no avail, and we had clear communication with Kluch, the other server owner, consistently to resolve this issue. It's not hard to not take a bet if you can't afford to pay it out?

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    - Our agreement with KLUCH, showing that after weeks of waiting and JINZ0 not having done anything, we made you inactive in KOS after being EXTREMELY LENIENT: imgur.com
    - 10 MINUTES after this message, we stick to what we said, and make a group chat with everyone to hear your side, understand the situation and this is the first time JINZ0 knew we knew about what was going on and it's gotten to a point where it's unacceptable: imgur.com

    We had quite a substantial conversation in the group chat we made.
    My DM's with Kluch show I was waiting for a response from him to better understand his perspective, and if he was happy with the situation/letting you host again (since from our previous conversation in our DM's, I had made you inactive): imgur.com

    The only thing he said after a week of waiting was "JINZ0 paid $288"...36% of what you owe, no further context, not including the other debts you have mentioned to other people, and no exact further solution. This is in no way considered "input", I'm not sure where the input is here, can you please explain? The accusation of "us being silent" is FAR from reality in this situation as ALL the pictures above prove.


    Additional Clarification:

    To further address a few of the claims Jinz0 has made:

    1. “Insurance covers it, so why make me inactive?”
      → Insurance is for bettor protection, not a free pass for a host to take bets they can’t pay. On top of that, we didn’t act instantly - we were aware of the issue for 2–3 weeks and deliberately gave him the chance to make progress or communicate repayment. Only when he failed to pay anything meaningful back or keep proper updates did we inactivate him. That is the opposite of “abuse of power” - it’s us being lenient to the point of risking ourselves before finally taking necessary action.

    2. “KOS is abusing power / double standards.”
      → This isn’t “abuse,” it’s liability management. You scammed in another server, admitted to spending the bettor’s stake elsewhere, and failed to keep consistent communication. Any responsible server would’ve taken precautionary action to prevent further damage.

    3. “I should get a refund.”
      → Rank purchases have always been non-refundable, which you yourself acknowledged. Dissatisfaction with earnings has no bearing on this dispute. The alleged “25% refund” conversation was never agreed to or finalized. Trying to turn a scam report into a refund request is irrelevant to Sythe and not how these situations work.

    4. “I paid half my debt back.”
      → You have only repaid $288 of the $800 (36%). This is not “half,” it's barely over one third, and the debt remains outstanding at the time of this report. Until full repayment is made, your claim of being “transparent and resolving things” is misleading. You've also admitted to having further debts on TOP of this to other SI Hosts, which we appreciate the honesty, but it doesn't help the case.

    5. “I didn’t scam in KOS.”
      → That’s not a defense. A host who has scammed elsewhere, especially while still in debt, cannot be left active in KOS. The risk is obvious: if you could take bets you couldn’t pay in SI, you could do the same in KOS.
    In short:

    • You knowingly took bets you couldn’t cover.

    • You used bettor funds for personal debts.

    • You under-reported your repayment progress.

    • You’re trying to pivot this into a refund request, which is outside the scope of Sythe’s scam report system.
    Our actions were measured, reasonable, and based on protecting the community.

    At the end of the day, this is not a dispute about profits, refunds, or ToS. This is about the fact Jinz0 knowingly took bets without funds and still has not repaid them in full. That is a scam by Sythe definition.
     
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  7. Unread #4 - Sep 2, 2025 at 5:15 PM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    You should try to rephrase what a scammer is. You clearly don't understand the true meaning of it. It's like a narcissist trying to explain how he is not one.

    Thank you for your reply, I get your arguments, but it clearly shows your character and how concentrated you are on a problem that occurred in a different server. Don't forget, we are talking about KOS here, not SI. "We should keep things separated", right?

    1.
    There was no incident where I breached any rules, scam any user or act with bad intentions inside KOS, even on Sythe.
    The problem the owners of KOS used for my inactivation happened entirely on a different server(SI).
    This is a fact, which is fully acknowledged by KOS, by Kluch and by me.

    They took a punitive action against me in KOS because of an incident on a server which is not affiliated with them in any ways. That is called abuse, or misapplication of internal authority.
    A KOS owner directly told me to keep things separate, yet what happens here? Double standards.

    The SI incident was external (from KOS pov), where no KOS user or owner was ever scammed/harmed.

    "If he scammed in another server, he could do the same here"
    This is speculation. You punishing me as host for not what I did, but for what you think I might do.

    If your logic could be applied everywhere, then every host having debt, irl problems or another role in different server would be at a risk of getting unranked based on outside behavior. This breaks any reasonable standard of fairness.

    2.
    KOS, Deal in this case, portrayed me as a liability. Despite making me inactive, I still hold a 5k$ rank.
    This rank is:
    -heavily limited in accepting bets - 1b 07 at a time
    -insured and monitored internally
    -controlled if I would ask for a big cashout from their discord wallet
    -never used to scam any user
    -and backed by what functions as an insurance/safety deposit, which for sure exceeds my limit as a host, making any hypothetical exit scam money-wise irrational for them.

    you wrote:
    "Insurance is for bettor protection, not a free pass for a host to take bets they can't pay".

    So yeah, that's exactly what insurance is for - to make the risk as low as possible if a host can't cover the bet

    Even if they think I'm posing a risk because what happened in SI, that risk was already covered multiple times:
    -Limitations - 1b 07 max
    -My existing rank
    -Their profit from my time hosting (%cut from stakes/weeklies and fines)

    If they truly believed I was a potential scammer, they would've removed me right away, instead I could continue to host for more than two weeks after the incident, still generating some profit for KOS - no scams, no malicious activity on anywhere, any platform, any server or any forum.
    Thats not how you treat a true risk, but you still call me "scammer", because it's easy. You are trying to frame me as a scapegoat or something.

    If I was a real risk, why did you let me host for a fair amount of days (over 14) after the SI issue? This decision is basically contradicting your own argument about "risk management".

    3.

    They claimed they were lenient. It wasn't leniency, it was silent monitoring and sudden action.

    They claimed I ignored Kluch - This is false.

    imgur.com
    Here you can find my DM's with him. I think I was clearly replying within a fair timeframe.
    As you can see, I told that the best possible scenario for me would be to pay my debt back till the mid of august, and the worst was end of august (I was expecting my half salary check for the work I did in july). I was transparent about it and I fairly kept my word even though IRL things changed (me getting my first check mid sept).

    I see no avoidance here from my part.

    Meanwhile I reached out to KOS owners on 4th of august, asked for a fair conversation, but I was ignored for 2 weeks.

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    Yet, after asking Kluch about our case, they acted instantly and even admitted they monitored me "secretly" during that time. No opportunities were give to respond or present my side.

    When I needed any kind of input from them or when I raised my concerns, they gave themselves a nickname: "silence". Yet they dug for information (as a 3rd party) behind my back and after receiving it, they acted with urgency, not against the problem, but against me. This is not a neutral conflict resolution, its selective and unprofessional. Your leniency involved no warnings, no offers for solution, no conversations with me until/after the punishment(making me inactive) was done. That you call leniency? That's silent judgement.

    -End of july SI incident happens
    -August 4 - I message KOS about my issues - silence
    -August 15 - deactivating my rank(for an issue happened in another server) without any warning - creating the group chat
    -End of august - I pay back almost half of what I owed to Kluch
    -You claimed this is not meaningful or half. In fact I owed Kluch a little bit under 600$ and I paid 288$. Thats almost half.

    4.

    You dismiss my refund request by saying “Rank purchases are non-refundable. Dissatisfaction with earnings has no bearing here.”

    Yet Reaper and Castle previously discussed about it and offered me a potential 25% refund. That clearly implies refunding is possible a case-by-case basis - something even your owner mates considered fair.

    That confirms my request for a refund is not "out of place", irrelevant or maybe a distraction. It responds directly to:

    -Lack of relevant ROI with a 5k$ investment
    -Arbitrary deactivation without any malicious behaviour on your server
    -Inconsistent support from you Owners when issues were raised

    Also you guys refused my attempt to sell the rank to another user.

    If the rank has value, and we all agree that it has, then a 2.5k$ request is a compromise and not really a handout.

    5.

    As stated in the end of the 3. part, I almost repaid 50%. 288$ out of 59x$.
    The claim that I underreported my repayment is false and misleading.
    imgur.com
    The exact amount(s) were voluntarily disclosed in our conversation. I never claimed that I paid more than that.

    I also outlined the exact timeline for the remaining sum. I was fully transparent when and how I will sort the rest.
    This is called good faith and it clearly demonstrates my intentions to repay and resolve everything. That is also the opposite of what you call a scammer behavior.

    But why do I even have to talk about this with you? You have no rights regarding this at all, being a 3rd party.

    6.

    The root cause is not a scam at all, its a failure of problem solving, internal process inside KOS.
    You acted based on:
    (and keeping in mind that you had no right at all to do anything/make my rank inactive based on what happened in SI)
    -External influence
    -Without involving me first
    -Behind my back
    -Without following a clear protocoll
    -Without engaging in any dispute management

    This is called reactive damage control which fully shows the ways and how inhumanly you manage so called "liabilities". You abuse your rank.

    --

    This isn't intended to be a scam report, it's actually a lack of fairness report.

    It is not an attempt to distract from the SI situation - which I've addressed transparently, made my best intention to repay it and I clearly showed signs to close it as soon as possible.

    You guys try to ride this, while it's not your concern at all and you shouldn't have to do anything with it at all!(being a 3rd party)

    This is about:

    -An unjust way of making my rank inactive, posing no risk to KOS
    -The refusal to acknowledge the rank's rw value
    -And the double standards in how you handle disputes and concerns

    I'm requesting a partial refund of my rank, it being 2500$, AFTER my SI debts are fully repaid -
    not before.

    This is not a baseless request, it is indeed a well measured, grounded resolution, given:

    -The total buy-in
    -The insurance protections
    -The ongoing repayments
    -The abuse/misconduct happened
    -The previous refund discussions
     
  9. Unread #5 - Sep 2, 2025 at 7:03 PM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    I feel like everything has already been addressed in my first post. However, to pick some of the comments from Jinz0’s latest reply:

    1. “It didn’t happen in KOS, so it doesn’t matter.”
      → Wrong. A scam is a scam. You scam in one place, means you are a liability everywhere. This is common knowledge, and this isn’t speculation - it already happened, and you admitted to pocketing/spending bettor funds. That's like saying when Dzenzy scam-quit on Sythe recently, he should still be trusted on every other platform because it didn't happen there. That logic is nonsense. You're trying to convince everyone that it makes sense to justify your own scam. Just because you scammed and admitted to it, does not now make it okay and everyone should hold doors open for you.

    2. “If he scammed in another server, he could do the same here – this is speculation.”
      → No, it’s not speculation. It is a proven fact that you scammed in SI by taking two $200 bets, failing to pay out, and misusing the bettor’s funds. That’s exactly why we acted - because it wasn’t a “maybe,” it was something you had already done.

    3. “Insurance means no risk.”
      → Completely false. Insurance protects bettors, not hosts. It doesn’t give a host license to accept bets they can’t cover. That’s exactly what happened here, which is why this qualifies as a scam by Sythe definition. Within KOS, hosts are insured up to their max limits for activities within KOS such as staking, sports etc, which are further defined within their own rules. You literally scammed in another server and are upset that we made you inactive - that too, after giving you WEEKS of leniency to try pay back or at least communicate, whilst working with the SI owner. We simply said once the issue is resolved, we'll sort things out. It's not that hard to understand?

    4. “If I was a real risk, why did you let me host for a fair amount of days (over 14) after the SI issue?
      → Because we gave you the benefit of the doubt. We hoped you’d resolve the situation. After waiting 2–3 weeks, when it became clear you weren’t paying back or even keeping proper communication with Kluch, action had to be taken. That wasn’t a contradiction - it was leniency. Once it was obvious no progress was being made, you were made inactive until the issue was resolved. That was the only responsible decision to protect bettors.

    5. “Refund request.”
      → Irrelevant. Rank purchases are non-refundable (something you acknowledged). A goodwill discussion doesn’t override ToS. Trying to pivot a scam report into a refund claim is just distraction. The fact is you scammed $800 when times were tough, and now you’re looking to claw money back however possible. The rules have always been clear: https://imgur.com/a/QjB3R1T
    Bottom line:
    This report isn’t about ROI, fairness, or refunds. It’s about the fact that Jinz0 knowingly took bets without funds and still hasn’t repaid them in full. That is a scam by Sythe definition.
     
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  11. Unread #6 - Sep 3, 2025 at 9:42 AM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    Again, you are referring to an incident happened in another server, which is getting resolved in time - still outside of KOS.
    I will try to sum almost everything up here, still trying to keep it short - there will be already mentioned points and some new points as well.
    You build your whole argument around that, repeating yourself over and over again, yet (again):

    -No rules were broken in KOS server or any other platform/server/forum.
    -No scam inside KOS or anywhere
    -The incident was external and unrelated to KOS, also I fully and transparently acknowledged it.
    -Still punished me for something outside of your server

    It's like you are penalized in your irl work for an unpaid personal debt. Feel the abuse here.

    2. I also would like to emphasize that I acted in good faith and I didn't deny what happened. Also I outlined the full timeline/repayment dates and the reason. KOS's leniency was silence, monitoring me secretly and deactivating my rank without warning or conversation, while me being withing the told timeframe.

    3. KOS terms doesn't protect hosts at all

    All rules are focused only on protecting bettors and KOS
    That is a structural issue, while taking large sums for ranks, but offering:
    No rights, no internal conflict resolution path, no transparency, one sided decisions. Host having no fallback, no dispute path, no actual support from management or owners - meaning hosts are not really a part of the community. And by their logic, any host with irl problems is a potential scammer. That's not how you prevent risk.. it shows only paranoia and power projection.

    So what they are saying actually: We want your money, your time, your risk, but not your problems.

    4. Double standards

    So if someone robs a store and never goes back - that's a scam
    If someone hits financial problems, informs everyone, begins repayment, offers solutions and keeps an active communication - that's debt

    Based on sythe's own rulebook intent and will towards resolution matters a lot.
    I didn't hide anything, I didn't ghost, I didn't deflect, I didn't lie, I paid, I talked and I showed good faith. Without malicious intent.

    KOS still portrays me as a scammer (still as a 3rd party, and still me being within my insurance limit - which i'm already paying back) while they were recently gotten a DNT here on sythe. That case was over a year old that they ignored until it went public.

    So for comparision:
    I was immediately transparent, they hid it for months
    I partially did 50% repayment within the timeframe I told - They didn't until it was forced
    My communication was proactive - their was silent
    I was trying to find a resolution right away - they delayed it until they were forced to
    Accountability from my part was accepted right away - from their part it was not accepted

    But yeah, keep mentioning me as a scammer.

    5. Refund denial is a convenient understanding of TOS, and you can't enforce tos only whenever its convenient.

    Im not allowed to use my rank, sell it, get a refund. And it has quite big problems when it comes to ROI as well.

    They claim ranks are non-refundable, yet:
    Castle and Reaper offered one
    My rank got fully deactivated and basically made useless despite never breaking rules in KOS.

    In any fair system, disabling a paid asset without case or value return is not legal - so it's a ground for refund.

    ---

    So again, I don't deny the SI case, but it is irrelevant to this report, to KOS and my rank there.
    They still:
    Contradicted their own policies, acted inconsistent, had double standards, lacked of internal alignment among owners, offered an unclear picture for hosts, used bias and a lot of things I already mentioned in my previous replies, which still stays ground.

    I'm asking for
    The other KOS hosts:
    Be transparent, consistent and accountable in both directions and hold everyone to the same standards, including yourselves.
    And most importantly start treating your hosts as partners - they are the ones who are keeping your business alive, but still they are treated like liabilities.

    Myself:
    1. A partial refund after I sort Kluch - 2.5k$
    OR
    2. The ability to sell my rank and exit peacefully


    I think I clearly presented my side, so - from now - I will respectfully wait for input from any staff member.
     
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  13. Unread #7 - Sep 3, 2025 at 2:33 PM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    You're arguing that because the incident “happened entirely on a different server (SI)”, it’s irrelevant to KOS and thus our actions were “an abuse or misapplication of internal authority.” You are insisting that you broke no specific KOS Discord rules, implying we had no right to interfere. This is a clear deflection.

    Sythe’s rules make no such distinction
    – scamming is scamming, whether on Sythe, SI, KOS, or anywhere else. In fact, Sythe explicitly states that off-site offenses which would be bannable on Sythe can warrant a DNT/ban on Sythe, you can find this here: https://www.sythe.org/threads/the-official-sythe-org-rules/#:~:text=both on,to DNT you on Sythe

    Secondly, we acted in good faith by not saying anything to you for 2-3 weeks. You literally did NOTHING in that time to re-pay, communicate or keep SI owner, Kluch, informed. HE told us this on the 15th August after 2-3 weeks, we did not act out of nowhere, in fact, we tried to support you as much as we could until it got to a point where you pushed the absolute limits for not only me, but Kluch also (3 pictures on this Imgur link): imgur.com

    In fact, we told Kluch to NOT report you to allow you to finish the full 3 weeks, which you agreed with him, to pay him. If you think that's not supporting you, I don't know what planet you're on: imgur.com

    NOBODY BUT YOU are to blame for this entire situation. Have some accountability, if you knew you're struggling financially why on earth are you still taking bets you couldn't afford to payout? The decision YOU made to take those bets, knowing you cannot pay them out. You withdrew bettor funds for yourself IRL, then lost the bets, and tried to call it ‘transparency’ by telling Kluch you couldn’t pay. That’s not transparency - that’s a scam.

    I agree, historically, you have been nothing but good, with no prior issues. But that doesn’t erase this incident. This is the first time you put yourself in this situation, you handled it poorly, and you cannot face the fact you are being accused of scamming, which, unfortunately, is exactly what you did. Even if it’s one decision in the history of your reputation, that one decision is a scam, and you need to face the consequences.

    You could have avoided this situation entirely, yet you're continuing to defend your scam, blame others, and try to shift the direction of the report. If this exact behaviour had occurred directly on Sythe, there’d be no debate - it would be a straightforward DNT/ban.

    Also to prevent consistent back-and-forth, I will also respectfully wait for Sythe response as I have no idea which direction he's trying to twist this report into.
     
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  15. Unread #8 - Sep 5, 2025 at 12:42 AM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    thank you both, @Kluch could you conf if these debts have been repaid by @Jinz0 ?
    edit- I know it's not entirely related to this report, but want to keep track of both problems since it's mentioned in the report
     
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  17. Unread #9 - Sep 6, 2025 at 6:25 PM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    the debt has not been repaid fully yet only received $288 so far
     
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  19. Unread #10 - Sep 8, 2025 at 9:15 AM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    Thank you everyone for the inputs, though you dont believe it is relevant @Jinz0 the first debt will need to be repaid before KOS is even thought about refunding you for the rank. You knowingly took a bet knowing you couldn't repay it. I see your arguments and im sure you meant the best, but in order for me to follow up with your initial report I will need you to repay what is owed to kluch. Im not going to have kos repay your debt so you can continue on, you need to handle your debts yourself. Until this has been completed, you will have an DNT placed for precautionary purposes. Thanks.
     
  21. Unread #11 - Sep 8, 2025 at 10:33 AM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    Okay.

    As I mentioned before, I never wanted them to handle my debts. I will take care of the debt this week and I will ask Kluch to update here once it's done.

    Also, just to note: I’ve been deranked and removed from KOS after your reply.

    Thanks.
     
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  23. Unread #12 - Sep 14, 2025 at 1:48 AM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    @Jinz0 any update? Is this something you plan on doing soon or?
     
  25. Unread #13 - Sep 14, 2025 at 11:26 AM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    Yes, I updated Kluch 2 days ago that I will sort him tomorrow, on 15th Sept.
     
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  27. Unread #14 - Sep 15, 2025 at 1:25 PM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    @Pirate @Kluch

    Sorted it. Kluch will confirm it once he sees it.
    As mentioned earlier, I was not trying to avoid anything here - and I appreciate your patience!

    Since the repayment is completed, I kindly ask you to reconsider the original topic of this report.
    My request was 2.5k$ refund or the ability to sell my rank.

    - The debt is fully resolved
    - I was unranked in KOS without breaking any rules or basically TOS
    - The rank (cost $5k), was deactivated - and my discord account kicked from the server -, without noticing me or trying to find any solution.
    - A refund was considered by Castle/Reaper earlier, so my request is not unprecedented and I already stated the problems with the rank.

    As I stated before and what the essence of this report was:
    This isn’t about denying my responsabilities, it’s about mostly how KOS handled my case:
    Double standards, inconsistent communication, and ultimately removing my access to basically a paid asset, without me hurting anyone over there.

    Thanks!
     
  29. Unread #15 - Sep 16, 2025 at 8:05 PM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    confirm he paid in full
     
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  31. Unread #16 - Sep 16, 2025 at 9:46 PM
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    I took a bet I couldn't repay (repaid)

    Thanks for repaying kluch, this report is now considered resolved. KOS was in the right for removing you, if anything they should have done it asap incase you tried to scam more. But they gave you the benefit of the doubt, which i won't be doing. You will remain DNTd for taking a bet knowing that you couldn't repay the bet if you lost. This is a serious issue and I would consider getting some help with gambling addiction as its a real thing. I wish you all the best of luck.
     
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