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  1. Unread #61 - Oct 15, 2024 at 11:47 PM
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    I think that sythe staff will judge Veiken to pay us both first because he did not know whether there was gold on the account or not or who took the gold because he is forging it.

     
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  3. Unread #62 - Oct 15, 2024 at 11:50 PM
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    Ok well I’ll wait to see if the Sythe mods solve this then, can’t believe a report like this is taking numerous days to resolve lmao.

    I’ll self report the account and risk both of our IP’s/HWIDS getting jailed to see where the gold went if that’s what it takes to get my $ back.
     
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    I think you two are just victimizing each other to get your money, just me. I think you two are just victimizing yourselves to get your money, I only know that one of you is trying to scam me, the evidence proves that the supposed supplier is the scammer, but now I distrust both of you.
     
  7. Unread #64 - Oct 16, 2024 at 6:09 AM
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    Do you think that when I take my money, I will remain silent and report that you are a fraud and want to defraud and falsify evidence? i Have a lot screen shot for this
    Until sythe staff punishes you so that you don't do this again
    If she is right, why do you change the rules server?
    Until you prove that you are right, do you think that I am an idiot who does not understand anything in RSPS Im Know everything at rsps Servic

     
  9. Unread #65 - Oct 16, 2024 at 6:12 AM
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    When I caught you with proof of forgery, you did not speak up because you knew you wanted to defraud



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  11. Unread #66 - Oct 16, 2024 at 9:49 AM
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    I’ve bought an account from you that got IP jailed when I tried trading the money/dying in PVP.

    you think I’d trade the gold over in less than 5 minutes?
     
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    @BlackBlasses I'm sorry for a lot in my message @, brother
    I'm new to sythe

    I'm sorry for sending you so many messages, but put yourself in my place, what would you do, because I spend this money on my family?

    But Im Sorry Bro I await your judgment <3
     
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    I am tired of you adam, the truth is that you are a persistent scammer, first time I see a supposed gold supplier with english role in my server to be so desperate to get money and especially with what you just said to feed your family, First time I see an English speaking person selling to use this money to feed his family when everyone just use it to gamble, the truth analyzing your status and the spam you do you just pretend to be an English speaking person to raise less suspicions, I think you are a Spanish speaking person specifically a Venezuelan who is desperate to steal money.
     
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    I play together my work, brother, this together this
    And I spend money at home. What's your problem? I woke up talking to each other black blasses
     
  21. Unread #71 - Oct 18, 2024 at 5:23 PM
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    Just spent another $700 with El zayat while Veiken is holding my $470+ because you keep going at it for a week.

    Not sure why this isn’t resolved yet.
     
  23. Unread #72 - Oct 18, 2024 at 5:24 PM
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    you are a supposedly english speaking person and you complement your work with games to earn money? you passed me captures to the ticket where from what I saw you do osrs services, why if you are english speaking you live of this? or you think that farming gold, doing service is going to give you time to have a job in real life, you are not coherent with your arguments and you yourself are in charge of saying things that don't favor you.
     
  25. Unread #73 - Oct 18, 2024 at 5:26 PM
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    You will not stop, so I will close the thread. I will tell you the decision most likely on Saturday.
     
  27. Unread #74 - Oct 22, 2024 at 1:28 PM
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    Hello, @veiken,

    Thank you for your patience. I have taken the time to review this report in great detail, consider the various outcomes, and discuss it with multiple staff members on multiple occasions.

    Unfortunately, we are unable to determine with certainty whether the gold in question was originally on the account. If it was, there are several potential explanations for its absence, including that it was removed by the seller (Adam xd), or the trader (Veiken) before the buyer (wsbintern?) was given the login credentials, or that the buyer is lying and the gold was on the account. There are, of course, other possible scenarios.

    Here is what we know:

    - The seller has a history of successfully selling RSPS GP.
    - Veiken has a history of successfully buying and selling RSPS GP.
    - The buyer has a history of successfully buying RSGP.
    - It would seem that the seller, Adam, was not keen on the idea of an account trading method, as this was not something he suggested, on the contrary he wanted to transfer the GP via other trading methods.
    - Adam claims to have won most of the 350b gambling. While unlikely, it's possible.

    ToS:
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    @veiken is liable if his buyer disputed receiving GP within 30 minutes.
    @veiken must refund the buyer.

    However, to say "this rule applies to SELLERS AND BUYERS" is vague at best regarding the seller's liability.
    From the ToS posted above, one cannot reasonably conclude that if the buyer disputes getting the GP, then the seller does not get paid.
    @veiken I encourage you to estimate how the statement "If anyone in the chain of buyers disputes the presence of GP on the account, you will not receive payment" would affect the amount of GP people sell to you.
    As is often the case with RSPS GP trades, there are multiple people involved in the chain.
    You cannot just buy something, resell it, and then claim it never existed if something goes wrong.
    Your trading/flipping/outsourcing security measures and lack of proper ToS led to this report and a potential loss on the seller/supplier side.
    I'm issuing you a TWC for this, which can be appealed in 1 month.

    I have concluded that the seller/supplier, Adam xd, was sufficiently informed that the trade was being done for @veiken's buyer, thereby exposing himself to the risk of a dispute from @veiken's buyer.
    I will not force @veiken to pay Adam xd because Adam xd voluntarily made the trade via the account method, was sufficiently informed that the trade was being "outsourced", cannot prove delivery of the GP, and did not protect himself with any ToS.

    I will note that if @veiken did not inform Adam xd that the trade was outsourced, I would force @veiken to take the loss here and pay Adam xd, while also refunding the buyer, because in my opinion, by reselling the gold, @veiken inherently confirmed that he received the gold.

    There is currently an open suggestion regarding the "account method" and this ruling may not serve as a valid precedent in the future. You can share your ideas with us - Rsps section drop trading rule..
    However, for now we treat it as a drop trade - we do not get involved - and forcing a refund or payment outside of the prearranged agreement between the people involved in the trade would be Sythe getting involved.

    @veiken, someone suggested that the trader/reseller provide his buyer with the login details, ask him to screen share and only then provide him with the bank pin. This screen sharing can only take a few seconds and can easily be done on Discord without any additional program. You and any other RSPS trader should consider it. I have been told that some people are already doing this or something similar.

    @veiken please let me know when you've refunded the buyer.

    -BlackBlasses
     
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    my brother @BlackBlasses

    Did I also lose money? 350b?

    Veiken
    Won't you pay me? My brother, as you said, this is Veiken's mistake and not a mistake. I also ask Veiken that you pay me
     
  31. Unread #76 - Oct 22, 2024 at 1:50 PM
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    I'm sorry, brother, but I can't lose 350b. I haven't played the game since this happened, and I'm waiting for you. I was playing roatpkz and selling to thatchy.

    I don't know why you are the only person I traded with and all this happened. I am asking Vieken to pay me
     
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    Unfortunately, if you are the honest party in this trade, you will take the loss.
    I wish I could think of a better outcome for this report.
     
  35. Unread #78 - Oct 22, 2024 at 1:58 PM
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    Okay Brother Well, my brother, go think, but how can I be honest and bear the loss, my brother? This is very strange, and why is Veiken the only person I traded with and all this happened? You can ask thatchy. I was selling 20m 15m roatpkz with him and this did not happen.

    I'm sorry, Veiken, but I can't lose my money. I was going to work on server rsps with someone I was going to pay $450 to work with.
     
  37. Unread #79 - Oct 22, 2024 at 2:08 PM
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    Also, black, I was the one who told me Veiken, we can do fp or trade or anything else, he said no only account, and therefore he must have verified the account or done Sharescreen with buyer, as I said in the beginning.
     
  39. Unread #80 - Oct 22, 2024 at 2:14 PM
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    hello blackblesses, from what I see you are asking me to pay my buyer, that's fine I will do it, that's what I was looking for, pay 1 party not pay both, because if so we would be opening a door for future scams like this, thank you very much for taking the time to analyze this complicated case and help to solve it.

    i will proceed to pay the amount of 462$ usdc to the user named in sythe wsbintern with the discord name “f” uid: 219647531573837825
     
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