Citizenship is arranged marriage

1. I do not live in United States but Canada
2. Not sure if it works the same but I do know you get a citizenship at birth which i support 100%, marriage no idea...
3. Being forced to marry someone to obtain a citizenship is stupid in Canada, after being sponsored by someone in the country, and you live here for about four years you automatically become a citizen.
4. But... Citizenship in the United States is a matter of federal law, governed by the United States constitution, so i don`t think it will ever be changed in any way or at least not for the next 100 years.

Final Note: I always figured each state had its own laws and then on top of that there were the federal laws that applies to the entire country correct me if im wrong. So as this being a federal law it will not be changed anytime soon in the past 50 years how many times has the government changed a law in the Constitution?

 

You can choose to obtain citizenship in another state, though in terms of arranged marriages you cannot pick another mate. That's why I agree with citizenship at birth, but do not agree with arranged marriages. We should be given the option to do as we like, and arranged marriages are sealing our fate straight from the womb.

 

Eh you seem to be comparing two totally different scenarios with an underlying theme of it being decided at birth, other than that the two are completely different.

Arranged marriages: Yes i do agree with them if it is under that persons belief system to have them. If the child does not wish to be in this marriage then they must denounce the beliefs that carry over and must accept the consequences. Is this fair? Hardly, but it makes sense.

Citizenship at birth: Hmm this one is tricky although I would have to say I agree with it because this I agree with giving newborn's the ability to automatic citizenship and not having to face the trials a normal immigrant would, but on the flip side I'm not quite so sure i agree with giving it to a child who has to alien parents. It's a hard call, but since the majority would have 1 or more legal parents im going to anchor myself on agree.

 

A marriage arrangement is merely one of connection decided for a child based on the beliefs of the parents.
Now yes this can be changed around to justify the resemblance to born citizenship, but as i said the situations branch off after sharing the similiar idea of it being decided at birth.

Arranged marriage: Commonly based off the beliefs of the family the child is coming into, and is usually done to join to families for the end result in an increase in power or wealth. (Or both in certain situations) This shows a hidden (or not so hidden) agenda within the marriage that does not see to directly assist the child in any way but to merely enhance the status of the family. Also as i stated, the child has the ability to resign the marriage while renouncing the beliefs of the family.

Citizenship's differences to this: Citizenship is given no matter the childs status or wealth, and is directly done in so to the individuals benefit while the governments side benefit is a later resultant. As well, the individual has their citizenship even with renounced system of the government's beliefs, so this gives it a more lenient design than an arranged marriage? As well as a more flexible one.

(Sorry if my wording and structure is a lil rough, it's really late lol)

 

I don't support citizenship at birth. The citizenship of the child should be determined by the parents' country. If the parents citizenship varies (e.g., Dad from Mexico and mom from USA), then whichever citizenship the parents choose for their child will be the country they belong to.

 

Are people bound by law to marry in some countries? I wasn't aware. I doubt anybody would agree with that who supports freedom.
And a child should, upon birth, should share citizenship with it's mother/father. I also don't see why anyone could disagree with that. And I don't see where the debate potential lies.

 

I don't quite support citizenship, but I live in an "equal society" that requires it. Without citizenship, the United States would have no direct "ownership" of my being, but then again I would have no label or status.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that citizenship has become a requirement for those at birth. This is for many different reasons, but I don't quite support it...

I'm not certain about this, as for what an arranged marriage actually is. The two people could be a part of two different denominations, but the child being that of another. These two people may have not met if it wasn't for their parents presenting them before one another, which adds a little confusion to my stance.

You've answered it below, but perhaps this was a rhetorical question. Ha.

*EDIT*
Now that I think of it.. I may be a supporter of citizenship, but confused at this point. Perhaps an open discussion with you, Richard, may help me establish this.
(Ex. You begin counter-argue my stance, allowing my open mind to think from a different perspective, etc..)

*EDIT2*

I have a feeling you are confused for there are different forms of citizenship and ways for others to gain citizenship within a country.

 

Aha. I understand your standpoint.

However, I don't accept all the states nor citizenship. Also, marriage is left up to local and state governments rather than the federal government. However, there may be at times government intervention. I know the above comment was somewhat irrelevant, but the united states is not always working towards a common goal.. contrary to popular belief..

I see. I'm questioning what you're referencing to. I've felt as if the door was left cracked open a little in your comment (as it is unknown to me).

 

Citizenship at birth yes, because you can change it later, or to have a few of them.

And I do not support arranged marriage, you can not marry anyone, it is hard to find your true love

 

Hello Sythe. Something you don't realize is that you're making a false comparison. The difference between arranged citizenship and marriage is countless.

Citizenship is a privilege that is involuntarily given to anyone who is born inside the US (I'm using the US as an example). There are no strings attached to your home country if you wish to leave, it is just a perk that our country gives it's citizens.

I can see how you might think these two topics have a similarity, but it's really just a false comparison. Hope you see my POV.

 

Simply taking out pieces of my argument, yes destroy my argument mainly because I wrote it as such so only taking out pieces will make no sense.
So if your going to remove every section of anything dealing with morality or any form of personal thought, then every argument is flawed and invalid, as is yours.

Although, I did forget to ask, when you say 'arranged marriage' do you mean the forced form or one in which just the whole family is involved in the end decision.

Now where you exempted the arguments on the 'requirements for citizenship' i was merely talking about the birth into citizenship topic, since i highly doubt were not accepting blacks and any other form of 'seen underlings' then my previous argument does apply.

 

I don't know if you call it "support" but I don't argue against it.

Most definitely not. I don't support others making my life long decisions for me. Want to give advice, fine. Want to make decisions, not fine.

Forcing someone to be with someone else is garbage.

One is human and one is not. Marriage to another human by force can be gotten out of much faster then marriage to a state can be.

Being married to a state is much worse then being married to a person by force.

 

I am completely against arranged marriages. No one can force you to love someone, and if the marriage is loveless, then is it really a marriage?

Similarly, I don't believe citizenship should be forced upon you at birth. What gives a large scale criminal organization (or the government as they like to be referred to as) the right to bind you to one particular area, and essentially hold you captive until you are granted permission to leave?