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    I'm an atheist. I really could care less about what people believe in, so why would anyone try to change anyone's beliefs? Being non-religious has a benefit of being able to argue on either side of the case.
     
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    If what you said in your original post isn't a depressed view, then I don't know what depressed means. Or maybe "depressed" was too strong a word there. Maybe useless or hopeless is better as you go on talking about how there is no meaning to life and that it is an "utter waste" and "logically worthless." I used this to connect to the fact that this only happens when there isn't a faith in a deity. So put the two and two together and atheists should be "not happy." If you're getting so pissy on this, I won't talk about it again then.

    As for life, although it is temporary and we will all die sooner or later it only makes sense to cherish that time remaining. Even though life is a memory as you put it, its best to make sure those memories are worth it. That's what keeps me going, being happy right now and looking forward to tomorrow. I don't need to please any deity, just myself. And after I die, I won't care that there is no afterlife as what I would have experienced so far would have been worth being born.

    Go ahead and get Sythe here, if he feels what I said is bannable then my all means go ban my account right now.
     
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    Seriously what does anything about depression have to do with anything about my post. I can't believe that your still talking about something that you inferred that has nothing to do with my argument. That being said your last paragraph actually somewhat addressed some of the ideas in my post. But it seems obvious that you still fail to comprehend the implications of ceasing to exist. If you understood what that meant you'd realized that all the points you brought up are invalid.
     
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    Both sides are in a stupid endless argument. Arguing doesn't get you anywhere.

    The term God defines something that is not proven to exist and atheists are priding themselves in disproving it's existence.

    Your views on the subject should come from your experiences in life. I'm not a part of any organized religion. I don't believe in an afterlife because I feel like you can't have life without death, and after you already die you just shred this suit of flesh and become the being that you were before you became a human, except with more experience and higher knowledge.

    The only thing you have left on your deathbed is your experiences and what you have learned within your lifetime, and that is the only thing that really matters.
     
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    I understand what ceasing to exist means. Just because you yourself won't be there to act or do whatever you want doesn't mean everything that is your life is gone. Others around you will also be affected by your presence on the world even after you are gone. Very famous people such as Einstein or Newton ceased to exist but their image isn't gone at all. They haven't disappeared into nothing because they have done something to be remembered by. Their life's work affected future generations and will continue to do so. If I cease to exist but have impacted family and friends then all my work won't have been a waste. This is why I strive to do things that would better others and hopefully in the end, future generations.

    But even if you say that all this work including Einsteins and Newtons would cease to exist, it wouldn't be wrong. Sooner or later every work that they have accomplished would be gone. There wouldn't be any remnants of it at all. But this is way into the future. If you think that life isn't worth it at all because of this then really, there is no reason to live.

    So it brings up my question. Why does believing in a deity make life not a waste? Does the thought of an afterlife seem to "preserve" all this knowledge and experience since (correct me if I'm wrong) you're immortal in the afterlife. So everything you do here is to prepare for it?

    If that's what you believe in, then whatever floats your boat to keep you alive and kicking.
     
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    I seem to miss this fact in many religions. It seems that the morals they believe in so strongly are ignored when theists go back into every day life.

    Theists apply the Vegas Rule to church. What happens in Church, stays in Church.
     
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    I will not spend the time to explain the reasons behind my religious beliefs (atheism) but will rather bring up the point that even if you don't believe in the core concepts of a religion with a higher being, they are generally good things. While I do not believe in a higher being, most religions are a generally good thing, as they teach people values and morals that even non-religious people can appreciate.
     
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    Lol Itz me, lets look at a simple question, Which group has killed the most people.

    Atheists
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    Practicing Muslims

    Answers Atheist. I.E Hitler, a westener but not
     
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    What a ridiculous statement.

    Religions teach nothing except pain and suffering. They are unable to teach because they do not believe in reason and evidence -- the only two things the human mind can integrate and therefore the only two things that can lead to a process called learning.

    Further, churches everywhere preach self-sacrifice, original sin, altruism, and various forms of communism. None of these things are good. They leave man in a despicable, broken, state, unfit, unable, and unwilling to face the world. It is disgusting what religion does to the minds of young children. You yourselves are examples.
     
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    You seem to forget the Crusades and other 'Holy Wars'. I would like to see your source stating that Hitler was an atheist.

    Please tell me how you came to the conclusion that atheists have killed more people than Muslims and Christians combined.
     
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    What if there is an afterlife and you're going to Hell to be anally raped with broke glass bottles on daily basis forever and ever and into all infinite eternity. Does that make it all worth it?

    Obvious failtroll is obvious.
     
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    While I agree with you that religions may be wrong, I still say that we should take from them things that we could all apply to our lives to become better people. You may focus on the bad things about religious teachings all you want, but the things you mentioned are not "main" teachings or points of any religious text I am familiar with.
     
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    i dont try to convert anyone to anything and i dont want anyone to convert me to anything. I believe that if they want to be religious, let them be. That is their ignorance and time. I have no control over their will.
     
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    Sorry but how do you know that? Have you ever been a Christian before? I am a Christian and I don't feel any pain or depression. Your saying that in a very bias opinion.
     
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    Better by what standard; Better according to whom?

    It's not an opinion. And that isn't an argument.

    If you would like to challenge me factually on any part of what I've said then you'll need to point out those specific parts which you do not believe to be the case.

    Also, let me ask you this:
    http://kingjbible.com/matthew/19.htm
    1) Have you read the bible? If you claim to be a Christian then the answer should be yes.
    2) Have you given away all your stuff yet to follow god? Thinking not, given that you're typing this from a computer.

    Goodness is denied you in this life, thus you should be unhappy by your own standard.

    You are a liar. Either you are not a Christian -- in which case you can stop defending evil -- or you are miserable, as the Christian doctrine requires of you.
     
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    Why would we? So what if we don't believe in what you do, does that make us evil people? Is that FAIR?
     
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    For the sake of argument, what if that is the case?

    By what standard have you determined which of the two Christian gods is God and which is Satan? By your own accounts the one currently called 'God' killed 99% of the world population including hundreds of millions of innocent women and children by flooding the earth. Not to mention commanding the murder and rape innocent children numerous times. (http://www.sciforums.com/Rape-and-the-Bible-t-8650.html)

    You are allegedly here on earth to figure out which is the correct God, and worship him and thus get into heaven. My question is: by what standard do you plan on doing this?

    If you apply reason, clearly God is the evil one of the pair; And does it not say that the devil will be attractive? So when are you going to start worshiping Lucifer as the real God? Or can you now no longer make up your mind?

    So if we are all going to hell, who has sinned more? The Atheist for applying the rational faculty given him, or the idiot Christian who blindly worships a god with a heart blacker than coal and further wastes his life performing endless ridiculous rituals in various silly costumes?


    But in all seriousness, religion is a psychological crutch indicative of a very weak ego and the arrested development of the mind. Human beings able to comprehend and respond to reality and the world (and the evidence of their senses) have no need for (and in fact could not care less about) fictional invisible supermen in the sky. Thus anyone with a religious fetish -- which is all religion is -- should seek the help of a psychiatrist to help rid him of dependence on this childish fantasy.
     
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    I have a question, what do all you Christians find so enticing about heaven?
     
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    this perfectly describes the wacko islamic freaks who destroy people in the name of allah because they really have to be insane to think that blowing people up is really going to give them there 79 virgins or whatever it is in the afterlife, if hell is real, thats where they will be going and quite honestly, anyone of those terrorists who think this deserve to die in my opinion
     
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    I strongly believe that there is no afterlife so I don't have a reason to worry.

    But let's say that there is an afterlife, one that I will be going to for lack of faith. I would believe it is still worth it because I for one have no idea what happens afterward. Even in "hell" I don't have a clue if its torture or whatever they do there. So I wouldn't let this fantasy world scare me into faith and following rules.
     
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