21st of December 2012

Then why haven't they produced a single verifiable image of this so called planet? Every single photo released has been revealed as a hoax.

I have taken the objective approach. The claim is that there is a planet, previously undiscovered, which is visible to the naked eye. There is not. This is an objective statement, based on observation.

No, for several reasons. Economies are not the night sky, the analogy is hardly effective. Moreso, who are you to tell me what I would have thought? You are consistently pidgeonholing my beliefs as confirmist, but complain when I address yours as contrarian.

Again, this is not applicable to the debate at hand.

Shall I simplify this for you?

Let person A be the poster of this thread, and B a skeptical scientist.

A: There's a planet in the night sky that's visible with the naked eye!
B: Is there any evidence of this?
A: No, NASA covered it up.
B: In that case I will look myself.

This is what has occurred, with predictable result.

Then how about we deal with the fact of proving or disproving his basic claims, as I have been.

In short, scientific method demands skepticism until evidence is produced. In the absence of evidence (as well as the existence of credible doubt in the form of successive hoaxes), it is acceptable to dismiss the claims as unverifiable, or in this case ridiculous.

 

Off-Topic, some sights MUST be real.

 

I just have 1 question, Didnt this be proven a myth. Thats why there is a russian in prison...? Either way idk about it honestly. The only reason i dont beileve it is that there would be signs i would think we would start getting MASSIVE earth quakes etc before the fact WAY before the facts.... Idk seems just a little wierd im not going to worry about it nor think about it cause theres basically nothing we can do and im just going to live life as long as i have it to the fullest.

 

There is a claim (the planet is visible with the naked eye), this is false. This injects doubt into the entire claim, as well as the absence of any kind of evidence. He may as well be claiming the sky is green. We can view the sky, it is not green. Therefore his claim has no validity.

 

Ok then, I could be able to see it if it were indeed close enough because I can see Jupiter and Saturn. Also, why doesn't it have any affect on other planets? Thirdly, nothing can only be seen from the South Pole. I tried to find something on the internet about a telescope built by NASA or the related on the interwebs but all I found was something about a radio telescope which was built there because of the low humidity environment. Furthermore, I looked up images and all of them are stars with gas shells. lol.

 

They said the same thing in "2000" every one thought that the world would come to an end, and its May-22-2010 and I still Have a Pulse!

 

That's what you think.

On the bright side, if the world ends in 2012:

1. Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers will go with us.
2. I won't have to do my HSC
3. No-one will ever play soccer again.
4. France will never win the World Cup.
5. The prime minister of England will stop governing

Among others.

On the serious side, if this theory is true, surely it wouldn't affect everywhere? The centre of Australia has plenty of space and I doubt Tsunamis, Hurricane, Volcanoes and Earthquakes will happen there.

The sky is every colour but blue. It reflects blue light.

 

I know, I said that for the sake of simplicity.

 

i don't think that anything will happen because why would the world just stop?

 

I think he means in stop the world will stop rotating or its axis will shift which isn't possible according to laws of physics and stopping the earth from rotating wouldn't kill everybody by itself...althought it might cause the earth to melt completely...but all of this is not possible according to physics.

 

The base of this discussion is that nostradomous is involved somehow.

People who believe this typically are the same people who believed the world would crash on Jan 1st, 2000.

 

There has been many Hurricanes/Earthquakes accumulating within the past few years, Katrina, the earthquake in Haiti.. etc.

Now I know my opinion doesn't mean much, because clearly I'm not one who specializes in the world of sciences etc.. but I do not believe that this "Planet X" will be the end of the human race.

There are many stories if you may call them as to the ending of the world in December 2012.. Mayan calender, "Judgement Day", Planet X.
I've read up on a few a couple months back just because I was rather curious after seeing a video on YouTube about the ending of the world, and thought I'd get an idea of why/how the world was supposedly going to end.
I came across a couple sources explaining how an extra planet, "Planet X" is supposed to orbit closer to the Earth, and knock Earth off of the Milky Way.
(This was a few months ago, bare with my information, if I had the sources, I would relay them to you).

It also claimed that Planet X has already been spotted, and caused "2 Suns" which can be viewed via videos on YouTube(I do not know for certain if this is correct). If this is so, how come it has not already caused our planet to sway away from the Milky Way previously? Discuss if you will.

About the Mayan Calender. Some believe this is what explains the end of days. I believe that this is also not true. The calender is set to end December 21st, 2012. This is told by philosophers of the Maya back in history. They were known to be very smart when regarding stars. They predicted the end of time thousands of years before it were to occur.
The Mayan calender is divided by 5 eras which they like to call the Great Cycles. And 4/5 have already come and gone, which they believed were ended by different causes. First by a jaguar who came and ate everyone(bizarre, but they are the claims of the Maya, not my own), second era by air, third fire, fourth floods and ours is believed to end in earthquakes.
They say that the Sun will sit in the "Heart of the Tree of Life" and will cause the earth to crumble. This has already occurred and occurs every 25,800 years, if that is so, it's already occurred more than 150k times due to the earth being around for over 4.5 billion years.
People say that the end of Mayan Calender is the end of one the the eras explained earlier, not the end of days. Every time one of these eras had finished, a new calender had been formed.

http://www.greatdreams.com/2012.htm

http://www.exitmundi.nl/Maya.htm (one source I remembered looking at).

Finally, Judgement day.
Religious people believe that this is the day that war on earth will begin. The ultimate fight with good and evil occurring. They believe that God will come down to Earth and this will be the end of days.
I'm not one who is religious, although I do believe in a higher being, (people tell me it's a result of fear of wanting to believe in something that will cause salvation, but I just think that there must be something greater than man, as man is greater than animals;knowledge-wise).

What are your thoughts? I believe that the world will not end. Why would it abruptly end after 4.5 billion years of survival? Where these phenomenons have already occurred before, clearly they haven't had that much of an affect on the world as we know today. We do not know the magnitude of these events as we do not have the science to figure out how they occurred.
The Earth has strange ways of balancing itself.. I believe SOMEDAY, maybe not December 21st, 2012.. there will be another Ice Age. I only believe this because that's how the earth balances itself and heals any damage done to it(atmosphere, environment etc).

 

No, if there were an object people would be able to view it. Also, nothing is only Visible from the South pole.

Ok then, how would the Earth brake, hot enough to melt the great seas at least, then restart? And when can we see to experience perigree?

 

In a few years, I will gravedig this post and say "Lol."

 

This is an excellent point to bring up in this matter. Though, with the unfreezing of certain parts, we would suffer death regardless; drowning. Either possibility (evaporation or melting) results in death.

In addition to all this, the orbital path of which planet X follows seems, in my opinion, obscure. What is its main gravitational influence? How big is it's orbital diameter? At what speeds is it said to be traveling at? What matter makes this planet probable? Reflective or light producing surface?
If NASA has indeed seen this planet and predicted its trajectory, they would have to know the answers to all these questions. Determining its main gravitational influence to determine its path. Determining its mass by determining the matter, along with the mass of the planet its most influenced by, to determine the speed. They claim to have seen it, therefore they would be aware if its a light producing planet or reflective, if any. It's orbital diameter in addition to the speed it travels would determine the time of 'happening'.
If this planet exists and there is in fact a set date for the occurrence, then leaked with it would be some form of plausible scientific evidence to support its happening.
I'm not denying the science behind it's possible affect on the earth, rather the science behind how we know what date it will occur on (as stated above).

 

I just hope this doesn't happen. Science has predicted this sort of danger various times in the past, but most of the time, the earth has remained secure. This time it could be right, but I have high doubts for this matter.