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  1. Schnell

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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Why is it so important to you what happens to you after you're dead? I'm all for power over one's own person, but death is a distinct line where this doesn't matter. Whether you're buried, burned, or sold as spare parts, you won't know the difference.

    The way I see it, a dead carcass is not a person with rights. And to deliberately dismiss perfectly functional parts of an otherwise dead body is a waste of resources.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    The fact of being dead is very much beside the point.

    A moral code that denies man even the right to dispose of his own organs in his own will as he sees fit is pretty well a morality of total enslavement.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    How is being dead beside the point? That is the whole point. As long as you agree that there is no metaphysical event after death, you can't deny that a carcass holds no inherent value as a person. It is simply an object, which could either be used for medicinal research and treatment or disposed of as trash.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Of course its wrong...You have absolutly no use for them once your are dead/brain dead. Why hoarde them for no reason when you can save maybe a 8 year old childs life and countless others.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Is your point is to say that no one should value their property after they are dead? In which case I'll just point out that this is, by fact, not the case. People do value their property after death, while living.

    To be more explicit: People attach value to their property and where it will go after they are no longer alive. They attach and appreciate this value while they are alive. By definition they can attach no value when they are dead.

    As to the validity of a will and final testament. If I sign a contract with a third party while I am alive that they should receive my property upon my death for transfer to my stated heirs, then what is wrong with this? Likewise if I write into my will that I wish to be cremated, then what is wrong with this?

    If you want to go into contract specifics then there is a highly valid way of doing this. You transfer all your property to the estate of the will executor or stated heirs, under the condition that you retain full functional use of the property for the length of your life. Then the title of property is not transfered at death, the contract is just expired. But this is hardly necessary, as most people appreciate the value and validity of a Will as a very special form of contract.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    If you write into your will that you wish to be cremated, you are deliberately denying the benefit of others for absolutely no benefit of your own. You can defend your right to do so, and I won't argue around that, but that is an irrational and egocentric practice.

    It would be like demanding that your house be burned to the ground after your death, rather than passed on to others.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Well obviously it is not of no benefit to me else I would not do it.

    You are still confusing future and present. I act now to secure ends in the future. This is always the nature of action. In the future I may or may not be able to enjoy those ends. But this does not change the desire in the present to see those ends met in the future. And so I will go about my business as in accordance with meeting those ends.

    And yet people do this.

    It is not irrational. In fact it would be irrational to unconditionally give away your property upon your death as you have been promoting.

    Why would I want the wealth that my life and energy have gone to create ... my hard work ... to go to someone who will use it to further ends I do not agree with? No. Having fought that far, all the way to my deathbed why would I want to undo my hardwon progress by simply giving aide to those whom I have been fighting, and whom have made my life so difficult?

    Go back and read my original posts in this thread to see how this relates to organs.

    And yes it is egoistic, and that is a great thing.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Why is donating organs right or wrong? I think after you died, it should be your relatives to decide, IF there was no decision on your drivers licence, but if there was a decision on your drivers licence they should just stick with that.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Nothing wrong with opting out of donating organs, some people wish to keep their body in tact after dying.

    I chose to donate. If I can save a life when I die, I might as well.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    This is an interesting point.

    Schnell, are you saying that it doesn't matter to you, therefore it should matter to you that it's supposedly wrong?

    Further how can a moral standard be applied if, as you claim, you are dead. A dead man can do no wrong.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    What I'm saying is that the choice between donating organs or having my body buried in it's entirety to rot in the ground does not harm or benefit me either way. However the former benefits mankind as a whole, since human corpses can be used for medical research and transplantations. Therefore the moral choice would be the alternative that can benefit others. A moral standard can be applied since, as you keep pointing out, this is a decision made before the time of death.

    I would love to see an example here.

    This is a very negative standpoint. Do you take for granted that donating organs will have a detrimental effect on how you want society to develop in the future? Or does it just bother you that it may help someone you feel doesn't deserve it?


    Furthermore, this:
    With this as your firm standpoint I guess concepts such as the common good and the like won't apply to you. I like that you don't sugarcoat it though.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    You know only what is common, not what is good. If you think self-sacrifice is good, then go forth and destroy yourself in the name of others.

    Altruism is a very primeval and basic means of control. It's refutation is simple.

    If you are an altruist, then you live only for the benefit of others. And yet others can always benefit from having the things you have right now. Others might eat your food, live in your house, and breathe your air. Therefore if you are to be an altruist you should rightly kill yourself.

    As I have said many times: altruism is the philosophy of death. There is nothing more evil than a form of brainwashing that turns the human conscience against man himself. No longer does one's conscience say "stealing is wrong", but rather "you are wrong". Under altruism, existence is the original sin for which one must constantly atone. Hence altruism is a code of non-existence; For in order to be good, you cannot be at all.

    If you think a moral standard which holds non-existence as its highest ideal to be a good idea then to be consistent you must now take the advice given above.

    As to whether or not it is a moral position to donate your organs, after some contemplation I have decided that not donating your organs does not constitute an act which is subject to moral assessment, as it involves only one person. However if you do decide to grant additional life to another, then this is a moral proposition, because now you must ensure that the person to whom you are granting life will use that time honorably, and not in the service of base and criminal ends.

    In particular, in my case, there is a great probability that my donated organs would go to one of the very same bigoted socialists who aided in severely repressing the voluntary healthcare industry in the first-place, which in turn put they themselves in need of such donations; Hence these are not the deserving poor. And being as I hold all justice to be a moral good, and being as meta-physical justice is a subset of justice, it would be immoral and improper to shield such people from the consequences of the vicious and ruinious doctrines they hold. I would, in effect, be bailing-out those (or one of those) same fat headed socialists who keep this system going, and, in so doing, be hurting those other innocent people who might also become victim to this system. Needless to say, I can always sign a bill of transfer on my deathbed, if someone worthy of my organs comes along at the last minute. My expectation is that no such person will come along, therefore my default position would be to not transfer my organs to any other.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    I dont think is wrong or right. To me it doesnt matter. I'd let someone who can actually decide to do whatever they want with em. Of course mine are so damaged im sure no one would want them, but if they can be used to save someones life... why not... if no whatever throw them out.

    I wouldn't care
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    No, definitely it is not wrong.

    Organs are not money that you can just give away although we don't need it anymore. People have their own rights to donate their organs or not. No one can force them to give it or not.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    In my opinion, it's kind of selfish to disagree to give your organs away if you die.
    But NO it is not wrong. You have the power to decide of your own body, and you can choose not to give your organs.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    It's considered my property, so no. I don't think I'm obligated to give them to someone else after I am gone.

    It sounds bad, but life is tough.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    "Property is any physical or intangible entity that is owned by a person or jointly by a group of persons."

    You won't be a person you'll be a corpse
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    But you've made the decision when you we're alive.
    So is sexually abusing a corpse right? It is not alive, so you can use it freely.
    It sounds bad, because you couldn't abuse him/her when (s)he was alive.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    no it all depends on your personal beliefs
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Yes you can.
     
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