Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

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Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?
  1. Unread #1 - May 7, 2010 at 2:23 AM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Lets take this in the terms of when you get your drivers license. They always ask you (at least in ohio) if you would like to donate your organs (kidneys, liver, heart etc) in the event of a fatal crash.

    So is it wrong to say no to that question? I mean after all they are your organs. Also though by the time they are considering taking your organs from you, you really don't need them anymore. There is always people out there who's survival depends on others organs.


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    P.S. - Also to add I said yes to that question every time and will always.
     
  3. Unread #2 - May 7, 2010 at 2:31 AM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    I don't find anything wrong with it, Though I don't see why you wouldn't, of course dying and then proceeding to being cut open frantically for your organs isn't a beautiful scene, it's still a good thing to help someone else in dire need.
    If you won't have any further use for them why not help someone else so they don't meet the same fate as yours. So is it wrong? No. Selfish? Somewhat. It just depends on your reasoning for not wanting to let them be of substantial use for someone else.
     
  5. Unread #3 - May 7, 2010 at 3:03 AM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    same i don't see any thing wrong with that, i would prefer that my organs will save lives then just stay with me and do nothing but rott later on..

    but it's ultimately your desion if you want to share them.
     
  7. Unread #4 - May 7, 2010 at 3:12 AM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    I'd Share mine and im going to say yes once i turn 16. 15 atm.
     
  9. Unread #5 - May 7, 2010 at 3:24 AM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Some religions can be agaisn't it, such as muslims. People have a right to what they do, and what happens to them when they die, it's there choice, not for others to choice. Although personally I am on the donor list on my free will.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    It's not 'wrong' to say no, but personally I believe there should be an opt-out system in place rather than the current opt-in. Anyone who has an issue with donation could easily address this, for example when they get their license.

    In any case, even if you have opted into a donation system, your family/next of kin still need to grant permission for anything to be removed after you have died.
     
  13. Unread #7 - May 7, 2010 at 4:57 AM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    I wasn't asked this question (Norwegian driver's license), but if they had asked I would have said yes. I don't care what they do after I'm dead. They can fillet me and feed the poor for all I care, I'm dead.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    This is more or less what I think, too.

    Once I'm gone, I don't have any need for what used to be my body. If I can save a life through my death, then the doctors can do whatever is needed.
     
  17. Unread #9 - May 7, 2010 at 5:19 AM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    There is plenty wrong with your statement. Wouldn't the moral value of the deed depend on the moral character of the person to whom the organ is being given?


    Because it is treated as a will or contract. They can now unhook you from life-support ("whoops, he died") and sell ("give") your organs without legal consequences. And yes there is a huge organ blackmarket.

    http://www.thebusinessedition.com/black-market-organ-trade-in-united-states-exposed-2101/

    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/88917

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/23/w...-kidney-path-poverty-hope.html?pagewanted=all
     
  19. Unread #10 - May 7, 2010 at 6:11 AM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Hardly. A life saved is a live saved is a life saved. Besides, by giving your own organs to anyone you are shortening the list for the possibly more deserving people behind him.


    Not necessarily. In Melbourne atleast, and state laws may vary, even if someone has explicitly registered themselves as an organ donor their family/next of kin steal need to grant permission before anything can be taken at all.

    The blackmarket trade is regrettable certainly, but surely a free marketeer such as yourself would see this as the natural progression of supply and demand?
     
  21. Unread #11 - May 7, 2010 at 7:08 AM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    You still haven't learned to think before you write a message.

    Why do you believe this dribble? Have you ever given it a moment's pause? Am I just arguing with a collection of inane soundbites of popular prejudice?

    Whose life saved? And for what purpose? What are they doing to do with these extra years, do those actions in that extended state of existence reflect your values? Why do they need an extra organ in the first place? Etc etc.

    Naïveté

    Your first mistake is in thinking that hospitals are staffed with competent incorruptible people. However you forget that these are government hospitals:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayant_Patel

    Secondly, it is precisely because it is a blackmarket (I.e. that it has to be done under cover of darkness) that I would not want to 'donate' my organs to 'those in need' ... even if I could be assured of no foul play.

    Why would I give my organs to a bunch of whining socialists to maintain their pathetic lives, when such are they who in the first place determined that I should not be able to purchase new organs in the whitemarket to maintain my own life? I hold my life to be more valuable than theirs, and I also hold the destruction of my flesh after it ceases living to be more valuable than their existence in any state.

    Simply put: Why would I give sanction to a system which is forcibly restricting my access to modern medical care, by donating to that same system? It's pure madness.
     
  23. Unread #12 - May 7, 2010 at 7:55 AM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Don't start with this condescending crap.

    A life is a life. If you can save one or more lives through no effort of your own, why wouldn't you?

    This is simply offensive. You take one example, and assume it to represent not just the majority but the whole. If this is how you conduct an argument I think my time here is done.


    The trade in organs in third world countries and the donation from dead patients in hospitals are completely different issues.

    Whining socialist? Now you show your true colours.

    If you hold your dead body to be worth more than the existence of anyone else, so be it. I can't conduct an argument with you if this is your rationale from the start.

    And again you introduce a completely foreign point to the argument at hand. If you want private treatment, you are absolutely free to pay through the nose for it. That is, after all, how capitalism works.
     
  25. Unread #13 - May 7, 2010 at 7:57 AM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    I'm sick of you debating with you. You're a carbon copy of every other public school socialist that I have ever spoken to.

    Read or listen to this:
    http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=category&ID=87

    Come back when you're done. Then we'll talk.
     
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    In a fatal crash your organs probably aren't going to be transplanted into another person, I don't think their first thought is to mutilate you further and rush to the hospital with your organs. Your body is much more likely to go to a University for study, face removed of course.

    This won't be an issue in about ten years, we can already build many of the commonly transplanted organs. I'm debating donating my body to a University, I have plenty of time though so i'm not that concerned.
     
  29. Unread #15 - May 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    There is nothing wrong with not wanting to. But why wouldn't you if your killed in a crash and your stuff is still good why not give them away it's not like you have any use for it anymore.
     
  31. Unread #16 - May 7, 2010 at 5:57 PM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    I always knew you would find a problem with this :p
    I believe your fundemental problem with it is giving to the government. But organs do help people.


    I would fo sho donate mine, i feel that it is selfish no to
     
  33. Unread #17 - May 7, 2010 at 10:27 PM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Is it not wrong to refuse to donate. But personally, why wouldn't you? Youre not going to need them anymore.
     
  35. Unread #18 - May 7, 2010 at 10:37 PM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    And do you feel that it is selfish to keep these same organs while you are still living? What about the ones you don't need. Such as one of your kidneys?

    Oh my, altruism is an evil master isn't she.
     
  37. Unread #19 - May 7, 2010 at 10:41 PM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Less people = Less resource used

    ^ That's good.

    The world is overpopulated anyway. So yes, I would not give my organs because they are MY property. And I think Sythe already covered most of the points.
     
  39. Unread #20 - May 7, 2010 at 10:55 PM
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    Is refusing to donate your organs wrong?

    Oh my GOD.

    This thread is a fucking parade of stupid ideas and flat out prejudice.

    Go research Malthusianism before you post such tripe.
     
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