God does not exist.

Creation implies a beginning, and a creator.

 

Indeed.

You would be?

And while your here, perhaps read the thread and then 'rationally disprove' my ideology.

So for something to be worth doing it has to have an eternal reward?

 

@ angelmax
stfu and get out of this argument clearly your an idiot or you would understand that God can be neither proven or disproven you should leave idfc if your thread the question you ask and your statment in the first post is assinine and by chance sythe saw it and a very great debate started with no merit to you ofc.

oohhh deacon so what do you believe in i got you confused for a want-to-be intellectual that beleives in big bang/other stupid shit.

 

BURDEN OF PROOF? DUH????

lol despite it being a "fallacy" (human made term ) i stick by it their is no evidence for God unless you want to go into faith/metaphysics but i dont (even then their is no "proof" you have to make a choice and live with the consequences).

God's existence can not be proved for the simple fact him being supernatural means he doesnt have to abide by our logic (proof or disproof)

 

You can't prove a theory unless you are there to observe it. A theory is simply a set of principles that explain a group of facts or occurences. A friendly person has a higher probability of making many friends than a mean person. So if you become friendly then you are increasing your chances of having friends. If you don't think that this is a plausible theory then I don't know what to tell you.

The universe is expanding at an exponential level. The most probable theory is that it all came from one single point. Not saying this is fact because there's no way to prove it, but if you have a better theory then I'm listening.

Matter exists but it also exists in many forms. Scientific models suggest that all the matter in the universe can be condensed to the size of a green pea, as atoms are 99.999x10^13% empty space.

I never said the universe appeared out of nothing and that matter appeared out of nothing. I believe matter always existed, but existed in different forms.

 

If you believe the existence of a deity cannot be proved or disproved, care to explain why you're here?

That is not the point of this thread in any case.

 

Yes, and then I said that our relationship with probability is like that with a God. There are probabilities of good things occuring and bad things occuring depending on your actions, almost as if we are positively and negatively reinforced to act a certain way.

How much research have you actually done about the big bang?

Configurations of matter are still matter... You aren't being very specific by just saying matter...

Dim red stars and some microwave noise? I expected a more thoughtful response from you.

The big bang theory is based on einstein's theory of relativity and the cosmology principle. And not only that, but the theory has been undergoing tests since the 20's, and with new advanced telescopes it still stands to this day. http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_theory.html

And I don't know what you see wrong with the Doppler effect. It scientificially proves that galaxies are moving away from us due to longer wavelengths in their light.

But once again, if you have a better theory I'm all ears.

 

The Big Bang does not claim to be the beginning of time. It says, "Ok, there was a singularity, and it expanded rapidly." It's a way to explain the current state of our Universe, not the actual formation.

You're one of the many who assume it came from nothing, when it in fact claims nothing of the sort.

Even if, rhetorically, you were right, I could still rebute you with the membrane theory.

P.S. So yesterday I had a discussion in class about religion with one of my classmates. She was showing the most absurd circular reasoning I've ever seen (Gods word is real. Why? The Bible says it. Why must I believe the Bible? Gods word is in it.) I pointed it out, and how rediculous it is, and no joke, she said this: "So? That proves nothing." I cut off the conversation at that point.

 

*sigh*

Omnipotence is not rational, because omnipotence is superior to rationality. Is the Universe rational? To our human minds, yes. To God? Who knows. There's no contradiction in my argument.

 

The way I see this claim;

Since this is your 'logic', the only way you could logically debate this is if you were a God. Otherwise, your post is to be considered null and void.

EDIT:

Basically, you're "what-if"'ing to argue against a logical claim.

 

I'm using objective logic.

God is omnipotent. God, being omnipotent, is unlimited in power. Being unlimited in power, God would not be limited by rationality or logic. The claim that omnipotence is a paradox, is, itself, irrational.

 

SPAGHETTI MONSTER

why even argue? You are just saying that god can do whatever the fuck he wants, so nothing applies to him.

 

Im not going to argue anymore as their is no other ideas that I can add. This thread is asking for rational proof of God which can not be given because God isnt rational otherwise what power would he have? Their is no argument that can be said that will convince any of you and their is no way I am able to better explain my feelings on non-existance which is principle in my arguments. It is clear among all Christian belivers that God is not rational therfore as sythe has stated no reason can be applied to Him and no reason can be appliled to prove His existance or disprove it. The only thing im going to ask for before I leave is a personal oppinion on pascals wager (no links to wikipedia please or anything else)
overview on his wager.
1. atheists/others are right=good for then but their is no reward as non existance is met. But if wrong a eternity in hell is the reward.
2. believing in christianity= may not have done things you wanted in life but if ur wrong it wont matter as non-existance is met. But if were right eternal salvation is met as well as not being sentenced to hell for eternity.

 

Yah i completely agree with you lol thats what i just said in my last post lol i used way to many words. I put where i agreeded with you in bold text.
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