God does not exist.

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God does not exist.
  1. Unread #41 - Dec 16, 2009 at 2:48 PM
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    God does not exist.

    Ad hominem...

    Pascal's wager is like saying everyone should play the lottery because it is relatively cheap and you could hit the jackpot. I see it as a waste of money.

    Atheism is not the same as believing the Big Bang happened, neither is God and the Big Bang mutually exclusive. This also goes for other creation theories.

    Yes, this is basic knowledge. And as far as I can see, it's not helping your argument.

    Ok.

    You make it sound like Christianity is the oldest religion and not one devised by humans. Try to be more wrong, please.

    This has been covered so many times already. Life is more important in the absence of an afterlife, think about that.

    Christianity is a relatively new belief, this is not helping you at all.
    Christianity is created by man. Even if you assume that Jesus was God, he was a Jew who did not create or organize the Christian religion.
    Christianity comes from the most turbulent and war-ravaged area in the world, how does this help you?
    There is no logic behind the Christian religion.
    I think I smell troll. You can't be serious.
    Look into Christian history. Please look into Christian history.
    These are numerous in the Bible.
    There are no accurate records of who wrote the Bible, especially the Old Testament.
    It scored very, very low when exposed to your supposed standards.


    Are you really serious about this? You're making it very easy to show how idiotic your claims are.
     
  3. Unread #42 - Dec 16, 2009 at 3:52 PM
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    God does not exist.

    god doesnt exist? how do u think the first 2 people were created.... earth , us... r u dumb?? how could not god exist!
     
  5. Unread #43 - Dec 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM
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    God does not exist.

    Argument from ignorance isn't accepted round 'ere.

    Also, there are perfectly good explanations for how Earth and humans came to be, with no God involved.
     
  7. Unread #44 - Dec 16, 2009 at 4:00 PM
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    God does not exist.

    So who created god then?...
     
  9. Unread #45 - Dec 16, 2009 at 4:04 PM
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    God does not exist.

    This made me giggle. You need to look into the big bang theory and evolution.
     
  11. Unread #46 - Dec 16, 2009 at 4:10 PM
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    God does not exist.

    You don't need the Big Bang theory to explain how the Earth was formed.
     
  13. Unread #47 - Dec 16, 2009 at 6:09 PM
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    God does not exist.


    I'd disagree slightly with the scientific method presented here -- while it is the methodology in use, the persistence of bad theories in modern science is testament to obscenity of the practice of modifying premises to match conclusions. (Especially when the new premises are unsubstantiated hypotheses themselves.) I would probably add an extra step where alternative theories are entertained at an increasing rate as the predictive power of the existing theory diminishes. That is: The less able to predict the future the prevailing theory is, the more previously obscure theories are entertained, so rather than a revolution, you have a gradual shift into the new thinking. (I think this is a proper scientific method, but we can debate the merits of both systems if you wish.)

    But other than that this is a reasonably good representation of how these epistemologies differ. The key aspect is that reason / science maintains the primacy of existence, while theology maintains the primacy of consciousness. And, as such, there is no way for theologists to improve their ideas because there is no universal standard against which to test, because all ideas are on equal footing if one accepts the primacy of consciousness. Consequently the only means of resolving a fundamental dispute in the realm of theology is violence.
     
  15. Unread #48 - Dec 16, 2009 at 9:05 PM
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    God does not exist.

    Big bang led to the creation of planets. But I guess not if you just how a planet or earth formed.
     
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    God does not exist.

    Big bang is a creation story. A fiction.

    This is perfectly simple to demonstrate. The big bang theory holds that there was no 'before' the big bang, because 'the big bang was the beginning of time.'

    1. You can't posit a 'beginning of time.' It's a violation of causality, which you've already assumed is valid in order to begin reasoning.

    2. The argument that the laws of physics 'weren't in effect' until after the big bang is in contradiction with the premise that the laws of physics are universal, something the very nature of it's being a 'scientific theory' rests upon.

    These contradictions (and others) leave belief in the big bang in the realm of faith. There is no proper standard to determine the truth value of the theory, if causality is rejected and the laws of physics are abandoned. You must have causality in order to have reason. The theory is in fact unfalsifiable as well as being a contradiction.
     
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    God does not exist.


    What created the universe?

    What proof do you have that god doesnt exist?
     
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    God does not exist.

    Irrelevant. I don't need a new theory to demonstrate that an existing theory is false.

    Omnipotence contradiction. Contradictions cannot exist in reality. Therefore god does not exist. QED.
     
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    God does not exist.

    Why do you belive he does not exist?
     
  25. Unread #53 - Dec 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM
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    God does not exist.

    I just told you. You even quoted the answer.

    If you don't know what the omnipotence contradiction is, then google it? It's also known as the omnipotence paradox.
     
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    God does not exist.

    Oh so your reason is that proof. Ok.

    Do you have anything really intelligent to add..?

    I have a debate tomorrow on this subject and it would really help me out if you could tell me more.
     
  29. Unread #55 - Dec 16, 2009 at 10:54 PM
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    God does not exist.

    Assuming you're right, you're the first person to disprove any sort of deity. Unfortunately, you're assuming that something being "supernatural" is a contradiction, which it in no way is. You're assuming it's literally impossible that metaphysics exist, and it's impossible to prove it does not exist.

    You can not prove its nonexistence, therefore there is a possibility, no matter how small, that it does exist, and so it is not a contradiction.

    I wish you were right, oh how I wish you were right.
     
  31. Unread #56 - Dec 16, 2009 at 11:05 PM
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    God does not exist.

    The disproof is simple? It doesn't need further disproof. Although if you look you'll find thousands of pages of arguments against the existence of god.

    There's no burden of proof on anyone to disprove god, because no evidence has been presented to suggest he exists in the first place.

    Yeah you're right.

    My point was more along the lines that reasoning about anything supernatural is a contradiction. Because we are assuming a rational world in order to begin reasoning about it.


    It is an interesting topic, I'd have to think more about it. As you correctly point out, it comes down to metaphysics.
     
  33. Unread #57 - Dec 16, 2009 at 11:19 PM
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    God does not exist.

    There is no way to prove that God does or doesn't exist, which is why i chose to remain agnostic. Sure, you can prove many religions wrong, but it still does not prove that there is no intelligent being that created the earth.
     
  35. Unread #58 - Dec 16, 2009 at 11:24 PM
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    God does not exist.

    Atheism can also be either the rejection of theism though.
     
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    God does not exist.

    No science can prove that God exists. It's taking a chance. What do you have to lose?
     
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    God does not exist.

    Happiness? Fortune? Self-worth? Not being slave to a book of contradictory ideas?
     
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