[Approved]Rule Reform v2

So is the suggestion to not allow doxing/hacking of banned members for any reason?

While normally I'd agree if you have someone who owes you money you will want to get it back by any means necessary most of the time, I think sythe users being ALLOWED to do it is bad for the community and makes users less likely to pay-back/want to come back if they ever had any intention to from the start.

So if you suggestion is to not allow doxing/hacking id support it.

 

No support, if people choose to not refund their scam victims they should be ready for consequences. I don't want sythe to become scammers safe haven

 

To be honest this forum already seems like it has a high amount of users who use it just to scam. I think Doxing and hacking is really shitty, but its a good deterrent for anyone who has been on this forum a while. (Has sent paypal to multiple users etc...).

I also think that if the victim of the scam dox's the wrong person they should be punished as well though. (Id assume its setup like this already) So do it at your own risk.

 

Here's how I personally look at it.

Person A was scammed by person B

I feel person A should be allowed to Dox the person who scammed them. As long as they use it to legally seek out reparations and do not share the information with other users.

In my opinion, if you're not allowed to seek out someone who scammed you then you may as well bend over and grab your ankles as they can scam without any consequence and then create a new account becoming the perpetuating cycle it has now on all forums, black market and online marketplaces.

 

I bet you could count on one finger the amount of times someone has been dox'ed on Sythe and the victim used the info to legally seek reparations, lmao. Dox'ing does no good for anyone.

To your second point - What? This is why we have a feedback system....? There are consequences, outside of dox'ing, for people who scam. Similarly, there are often times consequences for buyers who do not properly vet their seller before making a purchase. Don't buy from people who joined the website yesterday. Those kinds of people don't have anything to lose when they scam. Have some common sense.

Support for no dox'ing allowed. Black hat is black hat.

 

I mean the consequences dont help the victims get any gp back though, unless the scammer wants to rejoin the community. Do you not think doxing is a good deterrent to prevent people from scamming?

 

Regarding the suggestion no support in fact I think someone who gets I support for the sake of their 'popularity' should make a suggestion allowing the doxing of scammers. The dox would make it more likely the person repays knowing people could tell people they know or get it back through them by other means. I don't follow Sythe much but I think what Wortel did releasing Giant Golaiths dox is the reason why he paid back so quick. I don't get why you guys want to protect serial scammers and hackers so much.

 

Simmer down, chief. You suggesting that anyone who supports this wants to protect serial scammers is comical, illogical, and honestly slightly insulting.

 

My intention by releasing Giant Goliath's "dox" wasn't even to have him pay back, it was to make sure he can't hide behind his anonimity - but even then he would have a thousand million ways to scam once again, because this website (along with some others) rely on anonimity. Additionnally, the email I listed on his profile, aswell as his name, would help prevent such future scams. It's not really a "dox" either. Taking from Urban Dictionary a dox is "Personal information about people on the Internet, often including real name, known aliases, address, phone number, SSN, credit card number, etc.". Whatever I provided of him is merely his real name, girlfriends name (which I admit was weird) and email address - all legitimately obtained. The only wrong thing I did is post them without consent of the user who provided me them.

I am however strongly against actual blackhat (such as obtaining information) through social engineering and such, or providing actual full doxes such as the one you'd find on Pastebin. By no means should this be allowed; banned member nor actual members. Sadly there's no distinction between banned and actual members anyways, considering most banned members are still active anyways.

 

nah m8
if they scamming they deserve the death setence

 

if they fucked up and scammed no idea why sythe rules would protect them.

no support from me

 

Scammers dont deserve protection from the very laws they break on Sythe.

Ofc this should be more of case by case basis. Same reason admins have even said before that they wont entertain disputes nor cases by VERY severe rule breakers.

OP if tmr someone doxxed Chris Kane would you object? Nah, bet you wont.

 

No support, I believe there should be repercussions if you decide to take someone's money, just because you're hiding behind a keyboard and computer doesn't mean you shouldn't suffer consequences. You steal something in real life, there is consequences, why should it be any different here?

I also think the doxing should be only allowed for extreme cases, such as serial scams & big scam quits.

As someone suggested earlier I think there should be a cooldown period just in case, but I can't think of any reasons to enforce rules to protect scum bags.

 

Support. I agree with Pikachu.

There's too many variables and too risky to allow this

Just trade safely, use a MM, and don't trust people

 

support. snitches get stitches.

this is already a black market, if u don't wanna get scammed go join a regulated market. You accept the potential risks that come with trading in this market, but taking it outside of the market and inciting real world consequences defeats the whole purpose of the market and the anonymity factor. Allowing any amount of doxing is too much, it's probably a slippery slope until u start doxing people who got banned for plagiarizing ToS because they are your competitors. If something really bad happened then you can take legal actions through the proper governmental systems and let them work it out

 

Obviously support. Doxxing can put someone's life in danger because there are too many idiot man-children on the Internet who think its funny to swat people and have pizza sent to their house. Only look at the YouTube videos of Twitch streamers getting swatted to see how common and serious this is.

Scamming is one thing but doxxing will not make it any better, if anything it would just provoke them even more.

Sythe is not known as a blackhat / shady website, it is simply a (mainly) RuneScape marketplace along with some other games also, how about we keep it that way?