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  1. Unread #1 - Jun 30, 2020 at 9:13 AM
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    Suggesting minimum responsibility after selling account to be changed to 1 year.
    Current 1-month responsibility leaves too much space for abuse, as people are reselling accounts with ridiculous recovery rates hoping they would pass the 1-month mark so they can avoid all responsibility.
    1 Year sounds like a very solid time frame, and it shouldn't cause any problems for legit sellers
     
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    Very much support. 1 month is utterly ridiculous in my opinion.
     
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    no support.. beginner accounts like 60 60 60 with being oo original ip etc, are 50/50 recovery after 2 months .. never mind 9 months

    year too long.. 1 month too short
     
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    If an account has 50/50 recovery it shouldn't be sold on sythe. Or please put this on your topic "Your account has 50% chance to be recovered after purchase"
     
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    after certain amount of play time buyer just has recovery power it's the reason the rule was brought in the first place ...
     
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    While they do have a slight recovery power, it will always be overturned by an original owners recovery. If an original owner can't recover the account back he is either lying about being original owner or he doesn't want to help.
     
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    There's already a thread about this in this section - you have also posted in this thread. Does not appear this thread is needed:
    Revamp account sale rules


    Bolded above is actually not true. I, as well as numerous other people who posted on the thread above, have ran into scenarios where us as an OO (with all information) are unable to recover an account. I've had a worker get two accounts locked - I was able to unlock one but not the other but yet they were created recently, with the same information, on the same IP. I've also had an IRL friend that I gave a pure to a while back lose information & we went to recover this with no success.

    The system is not 100% to say it can always be overturned. It's a somewhat flawed system. This is why a year would be too long. I do support that 1 month is simply too little though.
     
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    There are many variables when it comes to recovery, and every account seller should figure those out themselves. But i've never had a case where i couldn't recover an account no matter how much time has passed, altho it took several tries sometimes. But that's the sellers problem if he can't figure this out not the buyers
     
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    No support.

    Where are all of these people you speak of that are abusing their trust to rip people off? Can you give us more info on the accounts they sell with "ridiculous recovery rates?"
    Feel free to link their profiles, I'm curious.


    You took what he said and manipulated it to fit your argument. You know what he meant.

    This, unfortunately, is not always the case. You posted a blanket statement with zero evidence to support your claim.


    I agree with ABM in that 1 month is too little, 1 year is too long. However, at the end of the day, sellers are required to notify the buyer on whether they are the OO/who is. A buyer can choose how they want to spend their money from there. It's no different than the rest of the BST sections.


    Not trying to be difficult.. but, I like suggestions that have been researched, thought out, and have evidence to support the why. This does not appear to check those boxes. This is also a duplicate of Poat's suggestion from earlier this month. I'm not sure why you created this, considering you've posted in his (so you're aware of its existence)?
     
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    You are generalizing everybody simply because you have not run into this problem. I'm stating that there is a flaw in the system & have attempted every avenue to assist in the cases I mentioned above. Same with other high end sellers who have stated the same. The system is flawed whether you want to accept this or not.

    Who's stopping a purchaser from changing the linked email over to another email of their own & claiming it is "recovered" requesting the money back & the flawed system lets to keep the account a year down the line?
     
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    This isn't how this works


    No one is giving away their research for free, I could write 10 page article on accounts recovery (and I actually released a plain one for free on sythe) but that'd be stupid of me. If sellers can't figure out a way to keep their accounts secure should we lower the standards or get rid of unsafe sellers?
     
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    What are you even rambling on about? Your reply was completely off topic to my post.
     
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    "I like suggestions that have been researched, thought out, and have evidence to support the why. This does not appear to check those boxes" I thought you wanted evidence of how account recovery works, but ok.
     
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    What..? No, that's not at all wanted I was saying. I was suggesting that you include evidence of a well thought out suggestion, along with something to prove why your suggestion is logical and/or makes the most sense. Again, refer to Poat's post. While I don't agree with all of his suggestions, he clearly spent some critical thinking time prior to firing off his suggestion at the hip.

    Edit: Again, not trying to come off strong. I think your head is in the right place. Account sales are the most risky type of trade for both buyers and sellers on Sythe. There needs to be a balance between protecting both.
     
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    Was just trying to make it as simple as possible, which is changing 1 sentence in a rule. I'd prefer Poats suggestion, but I don't expect staff to do more than changing few words in the rules. Basically small step> no step
     
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    I thought it was at least 6 months? 1 month is way too short. Support to upping it to 6-12 months definitely. Should still be within the realm of the seller being able to easily help any issues.
     
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    You're still missing the point. Changing the recovery responsibility to a mandatory 1 year is not a small step. It's a change with (potentially) huge implications to the market, regardless of whether or not you're just changing a few words in a sentence. The "ask" in Poat's suggestion was no different than yours. The difference is that he put time and thought into his suggestion before blasting it out.

    Also, it sounds like you're saying staff is unwilling/incapable of making any sort of change that is relatively large or difficult? Yikes. I don't agree with that. They undertook a pretty tedious one back at the end of 2019?
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    It's basically the same but he's asking for more things to be done. I'm not saying staff isn't capable of changes, i just doubt they know how account market works or will bother to research/test it for big changes, so i made a suggestion that wont take more than 10 brain cells to comprehend
     
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    So let me get this straight.

    You aren't saying staff is incapable of making relatively large or difficult changes, but you doubt they know how the account marketplace works or will bother to research/test it? So.. you are saying they're incapable. Okay, got it.

    To prevent from posting something that belong in SF, I'm going to remove myself from this conversation. What a cluster!

    I will end with this;

    I support 3-6 months recovery responsibility. No support to this suggestion.
     
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    Thanks for your input, it's a very niche market it's not expected for everyone to know how it works. It's like saying you're incapable of driving a car unless you know how it's made, wasn't meant to offend anyone.
     
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