Why Socialism (and Communism) Fails and why our society is being destroyed

em. 'scuse me. you realize many, MANY countries are built on relation through genetic make up and band together under their pure blood? this applies to nearly any country in europe and many in asia, africa, and south america. once again you express ignorance of anything not having to do with money and businesses.

unless you were synthesized in a lab and are directly related to the San tribe, you ARE part of a group. deal with it. we are not alone in this world, but your logic will only work if we are.

 

Wonderful. I don't see the point you're making.

I don't see how it is unenlightened or stupid. It could be portrayed as elitist, I suppose, or cruel, if you assume that humans are automatically morally responsible for each other (they aren't).

 

thats exactly the point. elitism doesnt apply to reality.


and if you dont understand the pictures significance to your talk about logical society, stop trying. please.

 

I said that it could be portrayed as elitist, but essentially it's based on purely voluntary actions.

I don't understand the exact argument you're trying to use. I know a picture is worth a thousand words, but please phrase your argument so I am not left guessing.

 

both are examples of attempts at a purely logical society that failed. or atleast, a society based on ignorant principles.

 

Neither fascism nor Communism are logical societies. Libertarianism, however, is.

 

i'm sorry did you just seriously say that?

logic is not a point of view, shredder, its a yes or no. communism is logical, but in practice it fails. so is libertarianism, logical but unrealistic.


it may be YOUR OPINION that communism is illogical, but your wrong. and it may be your opinion that libertarianism is logical and realistic... good luck with that.

 

Communism is absolutely not logical at all.

 

this is a subject on which you are ignorant. 150 years of economic and political strife and conflict was not caused by a crackpot theory that made no sense on paper.

 

It made sense to them, as so many people were suffering in poverty, yet it has fatal logical contradictions.

 

Interestingly, this page is the third hit in a 'communism logical' search on Google ^_^ Large-scale fullblown communism has never worked for long in practice, and communist systems have historically been seen degenerate into dictatorships or similar. Socialist elements in society are essential to the wellbeing of citizens, but the level of socialization seen in Britain, say, prior to Thatcher in Britain, is doomed to fail due to inefficiency among other reasons.

I think the right-libertarian approach is flawed because it places emphasis on the state being tyrannical, but doesn't apply any of the rules to private power. Right-libertarianism is just anti-statist, whereas I think a more realistic approach is to be broadly anti-authoritarian and anti-centralization of power. The only way right-libertarians uphold their positions is by being apologists for existing private concentrations of power, arguing that a true free market would (magically, presumably) solve all problems.

 

Libertarianism could be better known as voluntaryism. It's not necessarily against just the state, but against all unjustified intrusions into private transactions.

 

Great points Sythe I agree with you 100%. I was a liberatarian before I read this and still am.

 

NO NO NO NO!!!, you don't understand banks and central banks are the cause of this, when you grow up you may have to take out a mortgage for a house, now you think when you buy a house for $200,000 from a person who owns the house, the bank wires 200,000 to the owner, you get to move in while paying about double it over 20-30 years. wrong! all the mortgage is a contract that you will pay the bank over 20-30 years and that person receives the money now, but never really gets it, they just increase the end balance. there is not a lot of money transfer. so the debt from the bank is now transfer to you the mortgage owner. their for, that mortgage is now legal tender, it is basically an iou that can be transfered. bank credit money can be made from nothing, but it can be transfered to legal tender for debt. so legal tender can be debt.

 

Yes, our president is a shit >.<

 

I believe that communism is quite frankly; dumb.
If a man has certain skills that another doesn't, he should be rewarded. The other person should not have joint ownership if the skilled person clearly deserves it.
I'm all for Fascism <3

 

hay Sythe i'm not a 100% sure on this one but it's worth a shot, U.S. territories like Guam and a few other ones, DO NOT have to pay Federal tax, State Tax, but they get all the goodies that come with being an American like Citizenship, Protection, Law. With like 1/4 of the taxes, now here i think it's only 39%ish depends on status, so thats any where from 8-13% tax with all the goodies, Closes thing your going to come to your "society", oh but you don't get any representation if you CHOSE not to pay.

 

Elements of socialism create a better society.
Im an activist for a political party and we have the ideology of Nationalism. We wish to be removed from a Unino that we never wanted to be a party of. The far left is extremely in favour of this idea - and so are ourselv es who are centre-left. I will never vote for any party claiming to be any way towards the right because they are after a preseving nationalism of another country - to support the union. Every single one of them will not help my country. They will do their best to help a country south of our border

This is part of the reason I am for a social democratic party