[DENIED] new "no-sketch/safe trader" rank

The reason for this suggestion is not to make people with this rank instantly trusted in the market. It's to show that they always followed safe market practices, it's more of a reverse twc because i feel like twc rank isn't given to enough people knowing their behavior. The whole purpose of this rank is to make people wonder why someone "trusted" doesn't have it and what is the reason for it

 

This is not really the way to go about this. No support

 

No support

vouches are pointles. Why? Because vouch is exchanged both ways guy who went first give vouch to guy who went second and otherway around. In that scenario only 1 person is truly trusted on that trade and that is person who went second but both got vouch.


And that how randoms woud farm vouches go to major gold sites sell them gold get vouch (even tho they woud go first).

Not to mention you can get 50-100 vouches in 2 days.

 

I already altered this thought it would be obvious that these kind of vouches shouldn't mean anything

 

This will always be the problem with black market forums, with the good comes the bad as well. Many of us bust our asses for what, not a lot really, yes sure we profit but then there are people in much higher scenes who are shining over us because they have been doing it longer.

Let's say as mentioned before discord ranks etc, these users and by all means I have nothing against it have these big shiny ranks. Where are we when it comes to these big shiny ranks? We have proven (example being let's say me in services, you in account store etc) we can be equally as assets to the website.

I can agree with this, i'd like to see something as sort of a filler if you will. Something that isn't passed around between all the gold merchants and their friends though, and actually shown as "trusted" not defined by selling and buying gold to make profit, more those who actually took more than 10 seconds to get a vouch.

 

As i said i still woudnt support this simply because i see no reason why woud some ppls get *trusted* rank and get potentialy chance to scamquit even more as they usally woud.

Not to mention i dont really think that rank woud make big difference because ppls who get scammed are just dumb they wont go to trusted site because their prices are to high but they insta go first to 200$ donor with 5 vouches because his price is ridicilous low (obv scam) so ya

Victims dont follow path of trust but they follow path of low prices when they buy / or high prices when they sell even tho they selling to an random.

 

The only legitimate rank of trust we have is OMM, with good reason. The application to be an OMM is so stringent that even mods fail it. A similar rank of trust like the one you propose that has much lower requirements would render the OMM rank useless to some degree.

 

That's exactly why i want this rank to be as hard to get as possible, there are people like you who spent years building your reputation not getting involved in any sketchy (but highly profitable) activities to take advantage of others, while some people keep ripping others off with their sketchy shit refunding only what could be proven/reported and getting away with it every time. And their reputation is just as valuable as someone who has done years of business without a single scam report, and this makes me quite sad. The current system literally encourages doing shady activities

 

No support, I think that it would be used unfairly. IF you didn't have this rank you would be pooled with those who are ex-scammers, ban evaders, etc.

Plus as I recall @R2Pleasent is the only one on sythe (or one of the only ones) with the "highly trusted" fun rank. I think this rank is a honorable title and it should not be devalued by your new rank proposal :/

 

Honestly I would like this.

Tired of seeing users like @Gun on here who have scammed multiple people in past as recently as like 2 years ago (whatever, i may be wrong, but there are users like this) that have pardoned and can now look legitimate.

Back in the day I used him as a MM before I knew of his sketchy past.

I would NEVER do such a thing if I knew that. I dont even qualify because I have not been on here for 2 years. Annoying me that there is so many users out there who have pardoned and just continue to operate as normal. I understand people change, but, the ones of us WHO HAVE NEVER SCAMMED AND WILL NEVER SCAM DESERVE SOMETHING.


I support this.

Edit: I do not support a fun rank for this. Maybe a minirank with a checkmark that cannot be traded or something.

 

To be fair, we could say this happens in all communities at the moment and has been going on for a while, I do feel they should have more strict rules across the board.

The problem we face is they will place it as "free market, you're free to do as you please" which I have no problem with at all, it's the same with the middleman problem.

Let's say you ask for a middleman, I say no thanks and you report me as "sketchy" for whatever reason, they class it as you don't have to use a middleman if you don't want to, again completely fine but it is a bit weird to decline one.

I don't know man, there are advantages and disadvantages of the forums overall (all forums should I say*) and people will always find ways to slip through the cracks and this is something we have to face as well, with places like Powerbot, I used to like saying I built the service section because for the longest time ever I did single hand dominate it as you know, but even then we still had wrong minded people coming in and ruining it for those who wanted to either make money (not just myself) or just have a bit of fun with it all.

It's a tiring job trying to be the good guy is all i'll say lmao, I like the idea of thinking we can all achieve this status that we want without harming others, but the truth is some people are just too ill-minded to want to look the far >.<

 

Before I forget as well, I just want to say I do appreciate you making this thread, it seems a lot of people feel it wont pass and by all means maybe it will maybe it wont.

I do as you know already, love seeing the market bloom and I enjoy speaking to everyone. It's a shame if something like this is to be over looked.

 

This just seems like a glorified TWC

yes twc is temporary but that is after a vote is placed to see if it has to be removed.

I'd support for some more strict voting on TWC, there have been some people who should have definitely have kept their twc.

 

No support, "trusted" ranks are too vague and create too much liability for the staff - Look how many "trusted" members have scammed over the past decade that I've been here.

 

No support. Unfair on newcomers and trust is entirely subjective.

 

While I tend to like the concept of your idea, I feel like this would have too many downsides compared to the upsides it could bring towards this site.

The process of choosing people eligible for this rank would have to be thorough and hold no room for mistake. It would take a lot of time for the staff team to run a background check on the said person regarding their past, their vouches, their activity and not to mention the voting process. Like it's been mentionned a few times on this thread, trust is and will always be a question of subjectivity.

If anything, like Wortel said, our time and energy should be spent towards teaching and educating people about safe trading practices on a general scale. I don't think there should be specific users with this said trusted rank in charge of informing users/newcomers on how to trade safely on Sythe. It should be the duty of us, members of this community to spend a few minutes of our time to put our knowledge of the market at work and share it across this platform.

In the end, if you've been following safe trading/market practices ever since you've joined this site and wish to be recognized to your potential value, there are OMM applications that you could fill and ultimately, moderator applications.

 

Though this would require quite some unnecessary effort from the staff team to verify, what happens should a "verified" user scam? The people verifying them would be blamed by the mass, thus the question of validity would come into play for the rest of the "verified" users.

if anything, this already exists with "highly trusted" funrank users and those users are selected by Richard himself.

Thanks for the suggestion anyway - you meant well for the community, but it's not something we're going to do.