"Non-Market User, Do not Trade"

Tekkblades · Jul 9, 2018

What does this mean?

I was going to do business with someone who was originally a $50+ donor, but after today I have checked and it says that below his name.

Why is this and does this change mean I should take caution when, if at all, doing business with him?

Thanks in advance!

Wortel · Jul 9, 2018

Sythe said: ↑

The DNT system is an alternative to permanent bans on Sythe.org.

Under this new system users who would have previously received a permanent ban for an offence on sythe.org will now generally receive a DNT rank and a temporary ban instead. When the temporary ban expires they will be left with just the DNT rank.

You should not attempt to trade with any DNT user. If a DNT user attempts to trade with you, you should report the user.

What DNT is:

DNT is a more severe version of the TWC rank.

DNT users cannot PM other users.

DNT users cannot view or post in any market.

DNT users cannot view or post in any dicing section.

DNT users cannot display any ranks or miniranks except the DNT rank which they cannot hide.

DNT users are encouraged to repay any outstanding debts they have and attempt to pardon through a streamlined process.

DNT users will receive further temporary bans for attempting to trade with ban lengths proportional to how many warnings they have been given.

The logic behind DNT:

In most parts of the world punishment, restitution (repaying) and protection of others are separated.

In our case:

A temporary ban is a punishment.

Repayment of others is necessary to rejoin the market (through a pardon).

DNT is for the protection of others.

Once punishment (ban period) for an offence has been served it is finalized and the punishment is complete.

DNT is not a punishment, it is for the protection of others.

After ban period is served the debt becomes a civil debt just like every other legal system.

Restitution (repayment of the debt) is still required to rejoin the market.

Serious indictable crimes are still permanently banable.

Reasons for implementing DNT:

Criminals who use this site will ban evade despite our best efforts to stop them.

Hardline permanent bans do not result in a better outcome for victims: Either the criminals continue to ban evade or they use another forum entirely, either way they are much less likely to repay under a hardline system.

DNT encourages people to pardon because they can reintegrate first into the community -- regaining limited access to their account provides an on-going incentive to repay.

DNT acknowledges that people make mistakes and can change.

DNT acknowledges that people should not be continually punished for past mistakes; that punishment is finite and once served should not be served again for the same event (double jeopardy)

DNT allows the community spirit to continue while debts are being repaid.

DNT means that guests / new users seeing our site for the first time won't be faced with 90% banned users in any random thread.

DNT means that friend groups are not split up (for example one your friends is banned) thus encouraging overall activity and better community cohesion. This will encourage new users to join and help to grow the site.

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Zurc · Jul 11, 2018

@Wortel , I see about the DNT but in there I do not see the "non market user" DNT. Is the non market user different from a regular DNT? ie is it like a self requested DNT or just a permanent DNT?
Thank you.

RiskofSTDs · Jul 11, 2018

Zurc said: ↑

@Wortel , I see about the DNT but in there I do not see the "non market user" DNT. Is the non market user different from a regular DNT? ie is it like a self requested DNT or just a permanent DNT?
Thank you.
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dnt= do not trade. Don't trade with anyone who is a non-market user ever.

HNCdice · Jul 11, 2018

Zurc said: ↑

@Wortel , I see about the DNT but in there I do not see the "non market user" DNT. Is the non market user different from a regular DNT? ie is it like a self requested DNT or just a permanent DNT?
Thank you.
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To piggyback on Risk's comment. Non-Market members will be banned for attempting to make a trade on the site. So don't trade them.
Self requested DNT's are a thing of the past and is no longer a title.

gambling_babz · Jul 11, 2018

Zurc said: ↑

@Wortel , I see about the DNT but in there I do not see the "non market user" DNT. Is the non market user different from a regular DNT? ie is it like a self requested DNT or just a permanent DNT?
Thank you.
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DNT's are unable to access the market of the forums and are NOT ALLOWED to trade through the forums. Aka, don't trade with somebody who has a DNT AT ALL.

Zurc · Jul 11, 2018

Got it guys, thanks for the clarification

Gen · Jul 13, 2018

Seems to be resolved. Closing.

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