Denial Of Holocaust?

6million+ Jews, fool.

More than 6million people died in general.

 

My mistake, just checked that out. Still, the number does include those escaped, and does include every single Jew who disappeared, not just the ones in the camps. Many, MANY fled. The number is inflated, whatever way it was done.

 

I did not even know that some people denied the holocaust, until two days ago, when I watched a video about it in class...it was just ridiculous.
The guy just repeatedly denied the facts, that it was all a set-up. How can there be a set up when there are 6 million people dead or so?

 

that was the dumbest fucking shit ever, fake as hell.

 

Dont think of this video as hollow, or one sided, but think of it as an awakening, or an awareness too all that yes - there are people like this who exist in the world, and yes, they have and will go to the same extent of denial and at the same rate of resistance that is only equivalent to our beliefs on the matter. Dont become furious over their actions, but become active in bringing people like this down, whether it be locally or on a wider scale.

 

So you are saying if people believe something different than you, take them down? So you will take everbody except yourself down in the matter.

 

Yes, i believe in freedom of speech, but there are other boundaries vulnerable in which take place, and when dealing with such extremist opinions, especially if it is in the form of a group in your local area, one like myself would and will do anything i can to let these people know that myself, and other activists don't want them lurking down the side walk gallantly waving around their white pride flags.

Its not the simple question of "do you believe in freedom of speech", and its not as readable or easily estimated when concerning peoples feelings of others, and what argument might collide when that person chooses to express themselves publicly. Dont call me a fucking communist because i take place in pro choice and anti racist meetings and gatherings, yet at the same time smash a nazis face into a wall at public riots, because when your on the front line with people who call themselves "the aryan guard". its not about justice or keeping your dignity and enlightening these twisted people, its about anger, and letting them know they are not wanted, nor is their message tolerated in such a city.

Im saying that

A: If you disagree with something going on around you, but all you choose to do is deny its existence in the name of "freedom of speech" and keeping your level of dignity, this wont solve anything, at least spread a few fuckin posters around in your neighborhood, something on those lines is a start. This can even apply to the opposing side, which is why i get quite a laugh over "cyber nazis", and right wing sympathy forums where misguided kids can tell stories about how they curb stomped a native the other day. fascist wet dreams and rascist hate fantasies translated onto internet forums ftw.

B: Dont be ignorant to the point where ALL YOU CAN DO is deny this even exists, and that people like this are rare and almost extinct. Hence the neo-nazi.

 

For someone who can't spell deny, you talk pretty big.

On topic - Of course it happened, even though that video won't load for me, I gather from the posts that have gathered that the video denies it. What a stupid video.

 

I only brought up the white pride flags and aryan guard as an example, influenced under the topic itself... about the denial of the holocaust.

I did not once mention that i don't stand equally disagreeable with any other pride group, i thought that "white pride" - concerning the topic was best fit and most appropriate.



I can find relations in almost every post you make in this forum, as long as it isn't a collaboration of pseudo arguments based on a pseudo topic. You seem to believe that being at peace with your mind is key, and that if you believe righteously, you understand right from wrong, and you have grasped what is morally acceptable, this will make you invincible from contradicting yourself.

How can you be so blind as to how surreal a world would be, where total freedom of speech was not just encouraged, but lost all burden of judgment, of reaction, of agreement or disagreement, of pure organic oppression against your belief, because of what it is based upon? You are saying that it is wrong for me, to react with aggression to a belief that is morally wrong, yet is justified in the name of "freedom of speech". Well, in my eyes, "freedom of speech" translated in extremist tongue is "scapegoat plan A".

Plan B would lead to profiling, and firebombing activist members houses, and is this still justified under the right to act out and express yourself, and even defend your belief by scaring the critic? Your undefined opinion itself is just the blind, false, argument that is brought up when the entire interrogation itself waters down, and edits out all humym emotion, and reality itself in the fact, the pure fact, that people will always have the right to speak out, and people will always have the right to act accordingly.

 

Your right, i didn't. Do you know why? Because to my knowledge, their are no other big supremacy groups in my area, or even in the country of Canada outside of the white ethnicity. Maybe your familiar with more black and brown pride groups that roam freely in your town, but I've never seen such people before.

There is a heavy difference between threat and hate, threat is only ignited through a past conflict, hate- in this case, has no legitimate purpose. What right does one have to look down upon all people not of the white culture, to despise them because of simple difference and to encourage and spread their message through propaganda whether it be in the form of a poster or youtube video targeting white youth? Rascism, is not the only matter in which im bringing up, im talking about overall hate crime towards anyone of a different belief, sexual orientation, appearance etc. We both live in a country of freedom (im going to assume) where people can live their lives following their own god, and speak their own language- yet still, people today commit atrocities to others over that individual freedom they have chosen to live out publicly. While you sit back, and think of your existence as a modest living, REAL situations occur, and violence does spread, and hate does break out, and wrong is happening.

If you honestly believe that rascism is just a breakdown of utterance, of words, of mild verbal disturbance, than you are obviously either unaware, and living in a fantasy world, or you are too afraid to mold your own opinion- not based on fact and statistics, but based on what is TRULY right. You have just taken the easy way out, by your statement you have told me that you do not get involved in what goes on around you, because by sythe definition, our entire society's atmosphere is just an annoying vibe that takes a bite out of you, but wont cause any serious damage.

touche

 

Freedom of speech is a guideline, not a right.

What are you referring to when you even ask that question?

 

I am not an expert about this issue but personally, I beleive this historic event DID happen.

But is this historic event accurate? as in, what is written in history books is the same as what happened - I doubt it.

 

Who Ever denies the Holocaust can suck a fucking dick it's real who ever doesn't believe it go die honestly after you read the book "night" it will change your point of views of the holocaust forever

 

You're not an expert in anything, as you have no knowledge about anything.

You do not "beleive" *spelled believe* that "this historic event" did happen? When you, yourself, called it historic. Historic means it's a piece of history.

You deny history? History which is truth? For the sake of denying truth? You, in fact have no ideas or ideals in any which way, shape, or form.

You deny truth for the sake of denying truth.

You in turn, support propoganda at it's fullest. You say something and want other people to believe you, for the sake of believing you.

Read a book? No. You need to open your mind and stop denying truth in your own little world.

In order to read a book, you would need to be able to read and have a mind that understands.

To understand, or comprehend would mean you have a brain, which you "sir", do not.

 

to deny the holocaust is to deny the fact that the sun rises every morning. idiots. (who deny the holocaust.)

 

Creepy!
but yeah