Rswap is a scammer {Powerlevelling Account Services} [Do Not Archive]

I've handled many cases in the exact same scenario @Rswap and never seen a "Macro" ban for multiple people being on an account. In fact, I am not sure if Jagex even cares about account sharing.

On to the point, as a business, it seems extremely unprofessional for your "workers" not to be screenshotting levels, etc. How can we prove in the slightest you have done them legit? As for your "TOS" you mentioned, it will never trump Sythe rules, therefore it is completely irrelevant at this point.

This situation is under full review with the staff team. A conclusion will be posted here, any posts that does not add to the report will be infracted.

Also, may I see proof of whom you contacted? Full screenshots/conversations please.

 

I have been requested to post by @Rswap on this report, I owe him a favor thus this will balance the board.

I disagree with everyone on this report including @Champ and I am moving to have this report tossed out immediately.

There is no grounds to keep this report open.

TOS:
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There is no grounds, no ruling, no past case that the individual has EVER trumped a TOS.

Sythe rules trump TOS? That's the argument? Its a shit one.

There are NO SYTHE RULES which override his TOS here:
The Official Sythe.org Rules
Important Rules Regarding Skill Training and Refunds

Everything else posted is utterly irrelevant, there are cases upon cases where TOS are default agreed to because that is how business and services protect themselves.

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This customer never expressed even the slightest disagreement with @Rswap's TOS in any form.

Everything in this report is invalid, it doesn't MATTER IF RSWAP BOTTED. Staff and OP cant prove it, even if u show the ban was for botting you still cant prove WHO WAS THE ONE THAT BOTTED, there is no way on earth to prove that Rswap was botting in any form - There is no evidence in this entire report proving that.

Regarding @Rswap providing what Champ requested - Until staff prove that Rswap was the one botting he doesn't have to provide it, he's innocent until proven guilty which is what Sythe has always stood by in its most fundamental moments. He's required to listen to your orders if he wishes to form a defence against legitmate evidence, however his TOS invalidates the report thus rendering any need to provide whats requested invalid.

Innocent until proven guility - He's not required to provide anything because the entire reports invalid, If staff wanted to audit bogla gold tomorrow they couldn't just go to some bullshit bogla report and force him to turn over his records then be like "oh ur committing fraud due to these records we obtained by illegally forcing you to give us them" then ban him for it.

Like no, that's not how the rules nor any other report ever handled on this site works lmao, he isn't forced to provide shit. It's his choice if he wishes to prove it to you or not, or until this report becomes valid and he MUST PROVIDE IT to avoid a ban but this report is INVALID.

TOS trumps all, there is no rule, no sticky, no nothing invalidating Rswap's TOS thus meaning it is the rule book for this order.

Botting ban is irrelevant, he states clearly hes not liable for ANY BANS IN ANY FORM.

I draw ur attention to all the rules:
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The Official Sythe.org Rules


TOS trumps all, there is no rule invalidating his TOS thus its in effect.


If staff invalidate any of the above you are fundmentally violating past rulings, past cases and the rules themselves, there is no such thing a unwritten rule. His TOS is the governing rule body because 1) He is within the sythe rules completely for skill training & 2) The customer did not protest and or object to his TOS in any form.

Thus since his TOS is the governing body of this report, the report is invalidated in full.

-Divine

 

See the thing is Bus... if you break Sythe rules they can ban you from THEIR site. Scamming is a bannable offence on Sythe and botting on an account when you said it was going to be hand-done is scamming. If staff come to the decision that Rswap did bot the account, they can ban him from the site. There have been many reports where staff have said that your T.O.S won't protect you from a ban if you break Sythe's rules. I'm surprised you don't know this from the numerous amount of times you've been banned.

 

There is no proof of a scam, there is no proof of botting thus rendering ur comment utterly useless and misplaced @Teeto while you attempt to talk about something you know absolutely nothing about. I am the oldest skiller on this site remaining - I don't want to be involved but a favor is a favor.

 

I know there is no proof of a scam, but if there is proof your T.O.S isn't going to protect you from anything. You stating "T.O.S trumps all" is horseshit.

 

As seeming our good friend @Divine wants to speak.

Everything in this report is invalid, it doesn't MATTER IF RSWAP BOTTED. Staff and OP cant prove it, even if u show the ban was for botting you still cant prove WHO WAS THE ONE THAT BOTTED, there is no way on earth to prove that Rswap was botting in any form - There is no evidence in this entire report proving that.

- Is there anything you can show that the service was not botted either? of course there wasn't you dumb fuck. Stay out of it and keep trying to run a failed gold site.

 

Based on our current rule, that addresses situations like this were not very clear in many peoples eyes. The current rule suggests little to no liability for service providers offering services, the service provider is in fact liable for the current issues, and will have to refund / offer an account equivalent to what is lost. At the end of the day, "Service providers aware of risks they take when offering services."

@Rswap You have been DNT'd until this is resolved.

Note: A more detailed reform will be added to here. Any questions / concerns, feel free to contact myself or higher-ups.

 

Would like to add onto this to post my personal experience with RSWap.

I bought a maxed staker about ~4 months ago from him. Overnight, without staking on it, that exact account was banned the next day due to RWT. Now I'm not saying he traded gold on it because that would be stupid in the first place (hence I didn't make a report), it just upset me a little that the account was perma-banned within 12 hours of spending 200m on it.

edit; can provide proof if mods want, not sure if this can be used as a supplement or what.

 

I would recommend you only let @Sythe handle this @Rswap

You were fully within your rights, you followed Shin's sticky to the letter, you informed the customer to remove valuables, you made them agree to ur TOS, you are absolutely fine.

I would not pay a dime regardless of what staff say until Sythe sees this.

The fact they reopened this just shows that staff are still to weak to stick to one side or the other and have to try playing the middle ground.

Don't pay a dime until Sythe reads this.


Important Rules Regarding Skill Training and Refunds

• It is the trainer's responsibility to disclose to the buyer if the account(s) will be botted on.---DONE
• An explicit refund and returns policy must be defined by the trainer and agreed upon by the buyer (in writing) before services are rendered. --- DONE
• In order for a policy to be enforced, the trainer must ensure the buyer has read, understood and agreed to said policy. --- DONE
• If the service you offer is outsourced or done by someone other than you, you MUST inform the buyer either through your Terms of Service or in Skype/PM. Failure to follow this rule would grounds for a TWC, market ban, or further consequences. --- DONE
• Prior to the start of a service, the service provider MUST inform the customer that any valuables should be removed from the account. Failure to follow this rule may be grounds for a TWC, market ban, or further consequences. --- DONE

You did everything by the book, there is no justification for that ruling.

Even if staff decide to change it, you should not be effected as the case is pre the change.

The Official Sythe.org Rules

You are within the stickys, you are within the rules, I don't know what stick staff have stuffed up their ass or where this is coming from but this is idiotic.

Apparently we are back playing the whole "Whatever staff says goes regardless of rules" game again, where you have to sit DNT'd until they fix their shit in a discussion.

Do not pay that - There is no past case which allows staff to just blatantly redo/override the rules and then make that redone rule/sticky apply to cases before it ever existed, just the logic behind that is mind boggling that staff find that acceptable.

You want to apply the new rules to new cases once they've been added to the sticky? Sure. No problem. You want to add the rules to the sticky then go back and railroad cases before those rules existed?

Get ur shit together, this doesn't even make sense, you cant make a new decision/ruling then go back and apply it to a case that started services months before the rule existed, how the fuck is that fair to the trainers/sellers.

"Oh u followed the rules and the sticky... when this order was made..."
"Well sucks to be you, we added a rule to that sticky 3 months after you started the training for these guys, sucks to be you dude, fork over the $2,000".

Like WHAT!?!??!?!?!

Your TOS is valid by the rules that were in place for skilling services at the time of the service - Your TOS is the governing body as its valid - You clearly state you not responsible for bans.

END CASE- PERIOD.

 

May I add in terms of account sharing:
This is how jagex acts upon account sharing, only way you get banned is truthful botting, use of a client that isn't vanilla client, or some sort of RWT, I would still say let @Sythe be the only one to touch this, but imo you can't sell a service with the knowledge that you have had someones account infracted before, which by all the posts on this thread, you can tell @Rswap has. That is just blatant failure to care for other peoples accounts. And @Divine I would understand saying all that you did, if this was a normal case, however it isn't. Richard can decide what he feels proper, my opinion is that he should be removed from trading, if you can't do a service without possibly getting someone banned then please just don't bother at all.

 

But all that is irrelevant @Bryan

At the end of the day, Rswap followed the rules and staff cant prove he is the one that botted.

That makes his TOS valid, the customer agreed to the TOS and it says Rswap is not liable for bans in any form.

That's this entire case, all that needs to be said is the above, everything else is irrelevant.

It doesn't matter what type the ban is, who caused it(Since u cant prove it), why it happened, what the rules are now that staff are updating them, etc.

By the rules and stickys he is within them and that's case closed, its really that simple.

Staff are trying to go back and say "Oh we made a new rule/sticky so now ur liable rswap despite it being months after the training started" - That's not how Sythe has ever worked, that's not fair to the seller or trainers in any form, and it doesn't even make logical sense.

Staff walk the path of the dictator if you say the rules/stickys are irrelevant considering staff could go back and make a ruling today and railroad someone for a service/case already handled? That would mean nobody is safe ever.

The very fact that Staff even considered walking the path of the dictator is extremely worrying.

By trying to use such a path to justify screwing Rswap over in 1 stance you fundamentally devalue the rules.

Why should I follow the rules if I know they can just be overrided/redone later on by staff and that renders my punishment invalid? I have 0 incentive to stay within the rules if staff start playing with the fundamentals like this.

If staff make a rule today about how scamming is allowed now does that mean every scammer can get unbanned because staff are now making rules and going back and applying them to past cases?

Where does it stop? This precedence would create a disaster as time goes on.

All of the above also applies here:
Heros

Both of these cases should be tossed.

 

- I highly recommend staying with in the rules, I have 0 incentive to listen anything you say / take any report you make, if you think you're above the rules.

- This is not a "New rule/sticky" in fact it's been there the whole time. The problem is account services, have been using a loophole to not hold any responsibility for their mistakes.

If you have any questions, please contact me on Discord / Skype. I will not begin to discuss with you, considering you can contact us privately.

OT: @Rswap Please contact me to discuss.

 

Instead of handing out infraction / warnings, this thread has been locked until it is resolved.

If you have any questions / concerns, contact me on Discord / Skype.

 

@Rswap will replace the account @KingCobra has lost. @Rswap will provide us with weekly updates on the account status / progress, if an update is failed to be given, the DNT will be re-instated and his debts will need to be paid vs replacing the account.

This is a mutual agreement between the OP & @Rswap (Thank you for your efforts on answering details @Rswap).

If anyone has any questions / concerns, as always feel free to contact me on Discord / Skype.