[POLL] CDT/PR/TC - Usergroup colours/markups

I think members are capable of reading the arguments themselves and coming to their own conclusions. Are these ex-staff not a part of the community themselves?

 

They aren't capable of reading "moderator" on people's profile apparently and that seems much easier than formulating an opinion on this subject

 

Interesting though, if these members are dumb enough to blindly follow the opinion of the crowd, who's to say they aren't dumb enough to automatically associate the colour with being a mod? Surely these people will end up doing just that and running into problems then? :thinking:

 

Didn't say they were dumb enough to follow, was just pointing out the irony in your logic there.

 

I never said that one of my reasons was because staff members would be confused with team members though? That's definitely not my argument. I think having coloured names make staff easier to spot though, and having the coloured names doesn't really serve any real benefit besides making the team members feel special. But if they keep it, it's not the biggest deal either. Just throwing in my two cents, especially after people were claiming only ex-staff are against it.

 

I don't see a point to continuing this dialogue, as you don't have all the relevant info to make an informed statement. In saying that, that's not your fault, as you would need to have been/be staff. What you've said thus far is hugely inaccurate tbh.

I think you're taking this too personally though, and need to accept that not all ex-staff members have a vendetta against the populus here.

Also, community poll implies EVERYONE. Not sure how being ex staff is relevant or why you keep bringing that up. - half of our active user base is ex staff.

 

Fair enough, I don't think anyone can deny that the additional perks are appealing, but it just brings me back to the points I made / questions I asked in the post you quoted.

If this is followed through with, I want to see it done well and for the right reasons.

Cas and I were the only two that 'resigned' during that time period. I don't even have any qualms against DNT (that was not the reason why I resigned) so I don't know why you lump me in as "anti-change". You shouldn't just throw around large claims like that before first researching what you are talking about.

 

Honestly this situation is not a big deal to me, if I lose my color whoopdie do, but I feel like the reasoning people are giving for not don't make sense and originate from a sense of jealousy and not wanting people to get things in a different way than they did.

I'm not understanding what's wrong with spicing up the forum and trying different things to mix it up. Seems like people are trying to kill every fun idea anyone has. Wish people would stop being Debbie Downers on every little thing because in reality this is a very small change if you take a step back and just serves to encourage us in the groups to work harder and those outside to be more inclined to join. Then there's more of us to have a good time. Not seeing how this is a bad thing when the main concern is that staff should maintain exclusivity for every perk ever, there's only so much a forum can offer users and I really don't see the harm in a temporary color.

Also this poll was begun on a strong bias, Sellerman claimed that the promotion thread was full of discontent with this edit and not much support, but I went and counted the posts and the number of people who supported outnumbered those who didn't by a good number. The icon is a thumbs down on the concept. Also it's being exaggerated as taking away a lot of the staff specific perks, when in reality it's one small perk that's pretty much shared by the entire community. With UI's everyone is allowed a colored name, but that's not stealing a staff perk? If not, then there's a quick solution, force all the groups to use a UI in the color and then there'll be no real difference between us and a regular user.

tl;dr My issue is people taking the fun out of everything for the wrong reasons or no reason at all and making this out to be something it isn't.

 

Anti-change? That’s hilarious man, you are heavily uninformed. Site changes never had anything to do with me leaving staff, I’ve agreed with most of them. I just got busy with other things.

And if you are going to discount ex-staff votes, then how can you count all the CDT/TC/PR member votes? Their votes are more biased than ours.

I’ve barely been on Sythe the last couple months. I couldn’t care less what color their usernames are, i just don’t see the point of changing it.

 

You're literally making up stories. I (and probably lots of others) resigned on good terms, it had nothing to do with site changes. I'm pretty sure I resigned years before DNT. As I told N4no I had to resign because it was taking away my focus from school (why should any of us have to justify our resignation anyway just because you want to spread lies?) Whether or not you are just completely ignorant, don't propagate lies because it fits your agenda.

 

The rewards have pushed the envelope many times. This one however is over the top and unnecessary. I and no one else should have to distinguish between a staff member and a “club” member.

 

Your logic is retarded. This is just a testament to the size of active users and ex-staff members. If you have a small community and within that community you have a constant promotion and reisgnation cycle going on, you’re bound to end up with a lot of active users being ex-staff. That itself should not be a knock on this protest.

 

When I was active I had over 47,000 successful PA orders. That means 99% of my customers didn't have a Sythe account. Day after day my customers (who would eventually venture into Sythe because I told them to vouch me here) would get scammed because, yes, they are stupid. You can't fix stupid but you can prevent some of their stupidity by not implementing blatantly confusing and problematic changes like this. My customers will never bother to create a scam report because they are PA users. If they have a bad experience here, they will just vanish and go back to PA where they know they are safe.

 

@Divine as you can see, you're heavily uninformed.

You also don't know what change occurred when, and how - if you did, you'd realise there was more active change back then, while myself and others were on staff, and well before our tenure as well. Basically, change has always been present, however said change was easier to demonstrate in the past, as there was far more content to work with. In saying that, it has NOTHING to do with previous vs current staff, it's solely that there's only so much you can change and implement, before everything has been exhausted. So, naturally, current staff will have a harder time implementing 'change' (as mentioned before, the longer the forum exists for, the more gets ticked of the 'what can be done' list), which is not a testament to their capability.

Anyway, I'm done explaining things to you. If you want to actually discuss the topic of this thread, and not make up random statements, I'm down for that.

 

Voting yes, I mean, there's no harm, but there's no value to having it aswell. Didn't read all the comments.

 

Do a standard usergroup with a color underline; it's less flashy and makes it harder to conflate them with staff members while still promoting their position.

We didn't have OMM's with colored groups due to its conflation with staff and now we're doing just that; albeit, with users in different roles.

 

If anything, OMM's would be far, far, far higher up the totem poll for deserving/needing a coloured username, than simply community teams. To clarify, neither should, but if it had to be one or the other, defs OMM's.

 

61% for and 39% against is quite telling IMO. Historically, most votes on this website have required a similar data spread to be considered.

 

This. Doesn't matter to me if we change it or not - since I'm no longer using Sythe actively. However, I find this very confusing for the users. I seriously thought you guys were all promoted to mod lol A rank should be enough for these groups, imo. This was on the do not suggest list for good reasons.

 

Key words "so far." Petty.

Anyway I don't see any merit in polls on a forum where opinions are easily manipulated and tend towards a popularity contest rather than reason. Especially when you have an obvious bias by person holding the poll and act as though the issue already had a majority in one party when in fact the evidence suggested the opposite.

If you wanted honest results you would have made it a biased free vote and a discussion thread somewhere else on the topic. But that's how I see it.