John Devola - Intellectual property

Profile: John Devola
This is Chad/Elite Dust/Saha.

Alright, so here I am. This is going to be a very tedious and rigorous report so I do apologize beforehand. I hate to have this report public but the last time I made a private report I got a lot of backlash and criticism, so this time everything will be public except information that is very sensitive.

Alright so I will provide a backstory just to be transparent and lay out the facts.

The week of the 8th of September was an emotional roller-coaster for me and a week where mistakes were made and lessons were learned. It started off very well with me winning over $50,000 USD by BTC staking. I ended up taking $45,000 from my bank account to pay off my college tuition and my car/buy nice things, I told myself I was done and now was going to proceed to sell the 10+ coins I had. Everything from that point on went downhill, I didn't end up selling the coins but resorted to gambling them. I lost $6k USD to @Matt123 , $8k USD to @Spicy , $26k USD to @Willie and 10b+ 07 that I had purchased. I had lost well over what I was up that week and had $42k less in my bank account as a result of me spending it. After shit hit the fan and I had 0 BTC my gambling addiction started to kick in. I had urges to gamble because I had a mindset to win the money back I lost, but had no money to gamble with. I ended up gambling money I don't have and accumulated debt to many individuals and told them I would pay them back, I kept digging myself a deeper hole until I woke up from my coma and realized that I had a problem.

After I had accumulated a debt of $6,665, John Devola messaged me at the time and informed me he no longer wanted to be a part of Sahagold. I told him at the time that I respect his decision and I would get myself out of debt within a month and hopefully he would return to Saha and have faith in me. About an hour or two later, Www.Sahagold.com was taken offline and the source was stripped, now this is when we started arguing. If he wanted to leave Saha that's fine with me but he doesn't get to take the source with him. The agreement was a partnership, everything was 50/50 from day 1. Now when I approached John this summer and got him on-board, he was all down for the partnership and told me that he would take care of the initial expenses and it wasn't a problem. I ended up spending around $1,000 USD on Saha while John spent around $3,000 USD. Our agreement was 50/50 on profits/expenses disregarding the initial website costs. This was agreed on by both me and John. It's also worth mentioning I put forward several hours towards the business. Anything from registering the LLC/getting legal papers/applying to G2a/building the blueprints for the developers/graphics. On the other hand me being blatantly honest, John was just providing the cash and checking in once in a while which I didn't have a problem with at all because I had everything already planned everything out.

On the 20th of September I ended up calling John's employer and filing a complaint as a result of John not cooperating with me. He took the source which I owned 50% of. In fact by law, I had full/100% ownership of Sahagold LLC. This was a result of John's employer not letting him sign onto the LLC. I filed the LLC in my name only and gave him the 50% ownership on a personal agreement. My intentions of calling John's employer were ultimately at the time to sue john or have him hand over the source. On the 24th of September they called me to follow up in regards to my call but I did John a favor and told them that I wasn't following up w/ it and I was resolving it with John. John got upset I called them and as of today told me regardless of me paying my debts, he isn't giving me the source. So here I am making this report, because I'm planning to buy him out of Saha and own it by myself. I don't want to drag his employer into it again, so I'm making this report.

Below are/were the debts I dug myself into and a lot of them are paid off as of now

$1,000 BTC to @CircleTrader (100% Paid)
$275 BTC to @Searchy (100% Paid)
$1,000 BTC to Prince (100% Paid)
$2,000 BTC to @Willie ($1,000/$2,000 Paid)
$1,780 BTC to @Talon ($780/$1,780 Paid)
$600 BTC to Omar (100% Paid)
As of 9/27/2017 $4,665/$6,665 has been paid.

Back to the report, I told John today that I would buy out his half of Sahagold and what this report today is basically arguing is the disputed amount of how much it cost to buy him out. John is asking for $2,000 which is ridiculous accounting for everything. Hes not accounting for the things that I've already had paid when it was a 50/50 agreement.

What I told John is that $950 is fair for a buyout considering all the efforts I put in. I owned 50% of the source and he paid $1,900 to our developer to have it built and it's all I am after right now.
As previously stated in the last report, if John left Saha and I chose not to buy him out I would still own 50% of the source. Our man to man agreement was 50% ownership of everything, period.

So $950 is what half of the source would be, now to the second part. I will label this individual as "Kinkos" just because he wishes to remain anonymous. We approached Kinkos a while back wanting Kinkos to be a crew leader + our accountant. Kinkos wanted $800 for us to sign him and for him to be our accountant/mentor all new employees. John ended up paying Kinkos the $800 and we wrote an agreement for Kinkos.

A virtual copy of the agreement is in the deleted post below.

One of my arguments here is that in the agreement below Kinkos was binded to Sahagold LLC and that was the contract. John paid to sign Kinkos to Saha. What John doesn't understand is that when he leaves, he can't take Kinkos with me or make me pay for Kinkos because Kinkos is already legally bound to Sahagold LLC.

I'd like for the Sythe staff/Sythe rule on this but at the same time understanding this isn't some fufu ass goofy bullshit, it's the real world and it's a legal entity.

I'm willing to buyout John for $1,000 USD and get my source back, I would like to see what Sythe staff evaluate the source/buyout.

 

Just going to spit my mind:

Website to be built doesn't even cost $2,000 and that's what your asking for.

* You don't own the graphics anymore. They are Sahagold's graphics and you left Sahagold therefore no affiliation.
* I didn't make you leave Sahagold so I'm not going to compensate you for what you paid. You think all of the sudden it wasn't a 50/50 agreement.
* I own 50% of that source you have in your hands.
* Kinkos is bound by contract to Sahagold LLC bud, you have access to the agreement feel free to read it. You left Sahagold LLC that doesn't mean Kinkos isn't bound to Sahagold LLC anymore. I don't think you understand how contracts work. One of the clauses for the contract: "Kinkos will be paid $800 as a bonus for bringing the following tangible and intangible assets to SahaGold".

 

Before we begin I must say welcome back with report #2. The first one's outcome has not changed just because you have paid some of your debt.

- This is scamming and will not be "Ignored" I don't care if they agreed to let you pay them later. The point is, you didn't explain prior to gambling them that you didn't have the funds.

- Who wouldn't leave their partner if he was an addicted gambler scamming people? I would definitely be looking to invest in a new partner if my partner was gambling away money he didn't have and scamming away the funds. (So, him leaving is completely valid).

So, he asked for $2k for the source? Looks like he's spent $2k more than you. How does one obtain 50/50 when they're not even contributing the same amount of funds? Don't throw those hours you threw at the last report because they are irrelevant unless you charged him an hourly wage? If you did can I see the proof of the hourly wage?

 

Don't post on the report if you are not @John Devola or a moderator

I've already given out a 3 day ban and will continue to do so.


Chad do not make a new account you can post to RAS as a unregistered guest.

 

Merge to John Devola - Intellectual property

Champ same answer. Even If I scammed that doesn't mean I don't own the company. I'm going by law not ethics. You're a good moderator but once again we go by the book here not personal bias.

You are wrong 110%. Get it in your thick skull that even in the event I scammed $100,000 that doesn't mean I forfeit any ownership. Show me where I agreed to forfeiting ownership in the event I went into debt?

Not going to do the back and fourth again w/ you. You're a fucking retard who doesn't know how to read. I don't give a rats ass he left I'm not compensating him for it.

 

@Champ stay out of the report.

Tired of your bullshit. "If my partner did this bla bla bla I would find new partner". Frankly, I don't give a rats ass what you would do. It's called ownership and you don't seem to know anything about ownership or contracts.

@John Devola you can also verify when Saha was built that he agreed to pay the initial expenses/knew he was paying more than me.

 

You're right that would make you a scum instead of a scammer. Personal Bias? I have never personally talked to you nor would I ever want to.

Want to bet? My skull is thick, so it has plenty of knowledge up there. In majority of partnership cases fraud, and/or extortion will nullify a partnership.

You are right. I'll work on my reading while banning you every time you choose to make another account. This is not going back and forth btw. I am just quoting you on things you are saying.

I'll have a upper-staff member have a word here as well.

 

Show me what clause states this? Dull + Clueless. He wasn't even legally affiliated.

 

John Devola - Intellectual property

I'm requesting all of Champ's posts to be deleted as they are spam.

Also requiring someone that is going from the book and not personal bias to handle the report.

+ I would appreciate my quote being fixed in post #5.

 

Quote from a previous matter who said the same thing:

But, I will be glad to have upper-staff take over on this report. Good luck!

 

There is a difference between what Sythe said and all the bullshit you said.

I'm going off IRL laws + ownership of property + contracts.

You're basing all your shit off ethics and "oh if he did this I would do that too". Your words are meaningless.

Still waiting to see where scamming/fraud forfeits ownership of a company that is 100% owned by me. I'll be waiting.

You aren't getting the facts in your thick skull that he agreed to cover all initial expenses and he can VERIFY that himself. Idiot.

 

After logging in 20+ Discord accounts, finally found what I'm looking for.

That's the developer who wrote our site by the way.

@Champ Wya retard?

 

@Elite Dust based on your business registry with which the LLC was filed, you are indeed 100% the only owner of Sahagold LLC.
That being said, there was no articles or organization filed within the state, and you did not apply for a EIN based off a two member ran LLC. now that we got that part covered.

So instead of taking Legal action, you are wanting to see an alternative by the Sythe staff team to determine the deciding factors of this 'intellectual Property', so we are going to try our best to determine the best actions for this case.

So proofs provided show that the 'source', whatever you mean by that is in fact, funded by John, and owned by John. John has paid it for the two months the business has been open, and as rightful owner of the source, he can do whatever he wants with it. Although, as co-owners, that payment should have been paid 50% by each of you. You neglected to pay that not once, but twice. John has every right to ask for $1million as the sole financing owner of the source. Not to mention of the offset of business funding provided by him. Basically, as co-owner of the business (which is how you both will be recognized here on Sythe), the source asset is very much rightfully his to decide how much he would like to get paid for it.

I personally do believe you should be paying the two 950$ payments, if you want 100% ownership of the source, as you are buying it off john. all he wants is half his initial investment back from the business that he put in to sell off his portion of company assets. you could think of it as buying John's portions off completely, or you can pay back 1 month, and the remaining 25% business finances offset that's owed. both coming around to $2k either way.

 

@Island Thanks for the reply. Your argument is that John funded the project , it's his. Wrong. John went into the 50/50 partnership willing to spend more money than me. He can confirm it + I have the screenshots. He knew it from day one I approached him. The source is Saha's intellectual property and I owned 50% of it. I don't want to drag the developer into this but if it's required then be it.

The graphics, social media, contact, info, terms and service /etc that are on the source are a property of Sahagold LLC.

 

View all the screenshots before you say anything. He paid, he agreed to pay more and willing to "be the bank". I did all the work.

 

The amount of work that goes into a business down account for anything. that just defines who you are as a person and your personal work ethics.

just because I spent 8 years working on a shit car to renew it, doesn't mean imma charge for 8 years of work, that's silly.

 

@Island

You don't understand that even before he backed out, 50% of the source was mine.

He was willing to pay for the website to be written which I showed in the screenshot. He was willing to be the bank for the start of the business and to get everything rolling. He offered on his own will, not mine.

He backing out of Sahagold doesn't mean he gets to take 100% of the source and walk just because he paid for it. Nobody forced him to agree to take care of the initial expenses.

 

He wants you to refund his portion spent on the source alone, not the business. Is it that hard to pay only the 2k out of the possible $2500-3000 for half of expenses alone. He is willing to sell all his 50% ownership, the name, the source, everything, for a mere $2000 which is a refund for paying for just the source, which he did alone. I'd take the 2k over how much he can really smack you on.

 

@Island The source didn't even cost $2,000. Your mindset is to compensate John for what he spent, which I'm not doing. I didn't make him leave. I owned 50% of the source. He was willing to spend the money for Saha's source.

@Sythe care to step in?

 

you are trying to buy his portion of the source. if you took everything and slice it in half, you are still trying to buy his 50%. how is it not sinking in. he funded 100% of the source under co-ownership, so yes, you do get a portion. but he still owns it and wants to get compensated for the two 950$ payments and his 50% ownership. $2000 is a fair price.