Get rid of Bus369/Divine already and fix the loopholes he's been using

Not been here very long but one of the first threads i saw when joining was an advertisement banner about bus369 being a huge scammer, Now lets say i was in Bus369 shoes and i saw all that shit about me then id 100% change my name, But if hes conducted as many successful trades as he says (50,000+) then why would he not keep his original name? Pretty sure his name would become a trademark as such for all these "50,000" trades, Not here to personally attack him, But after the amount of stuff dug up on the SF about him i'm not surprised people are outraged at the fact hes been allowed to come back, actively trade, change name, and somehow still has the audacity to defend his actions? if it's true what some suggest that bus has staff members in his pockets then it's really sad because it will be the demise of all staff and sythe as a whole, Now i personally don't know bus and haven't traded with him, But after seeing everything about him i wouldn't even trust him with my rsn let alone any sort of "valuable" goods, That's just my perspective on things, If it wasn't for this post i wouldn't have even known about his name change, So thanks for the heads up, However i think temporarily banned users should have something a bit more severe then just a "get out of jail free card", Maybe implent a temporary ban+temporary TWC/DNT for a following two weeks depending on offence?

Every comment i've read on here so far has all been FOR bus aka divine being punished more severely, Only person defending his actions is him self? All respect to Tmoe as i know you're trying to follow the book here on what to do, But sometimes just gotta listen to the community and get rid of the cancer before its too late, Not implying that bus is cancer, More or less that scammers/People with a list of blackmarks against them should not be allowed within the community, 1, he may not pose a threat now, but who can guarantee he won't in the future when he gets bored of this? Or decides hes not beating the competition so why not scam quit?

I'm sure hes gonna quote this and throw out there why he would never scam quit cause he makes billions irl daily and is a good guy but once kicked his neighbours cat cause it wouldn't stop meowing but he apologised after or something along those lines, Fact is when are we finally going to say enough is enough and these people aren't welcome here?

Rant over.

 

The fact that I received a warning from @Island for "ignoring stickies" long after shows how poorly this is being moderated and handled. If this isn't special treatment I do not know what is.

How does one receive any sort of punishment on a ruling that was made subsequent to a user changing their username? Given the date of the threads creation and it's purpose, I find this to be a mistake, as well as the ruling to close said thread. The reason doesn't even sound logical. The same user has still participated in the spam forum for a very long time, name change or not, and still did subsequent to that change.

 

This whole thing is a farce. If he isn't participating in the SF there should be a snowflake sticky warning who can't take the heat and his SF posts and threads (which constitute participation) should be deleted. I'm only here because someone mentioned I could be infracted for shitting on @Divine in SF but many of us only have the off-topic tab open on sythe because they are the only forums we participate in.. Punishing people for something they couldn't possibly know is fucking ridiculous.

I remember a time when Bus/Divine would of been permed on his first fuck up but now we just prosecute people for ripping on folks in the appropriate forum rather than the actual rule breakers, liars, con artists, scammers etc. Anyone remember the concept of last chance user group? How many last chances can a fucking kid get? His name change should be reversed and he should live with the reputation he has built for himself at the very least but in reality he needs to be removed from the site and probably earth tbh.

 

First report already came in for Bus.
Who knows how long he will last this time before getting banned.

Bus369/Divine Scamming me out of a Mcdonald's food review

 

Let me guess, Bus can just retroactively get all the discussions about him removed, but you won't retroactively change him name, so nothing is solved. This also doesn't solve anything. Anyone who is a DnT at any time should inherently not be able to do a name change. They've done harm to the community, and they shouldn't just be able to run away from their name when it has taken the community so long to understand what they are...

How is that even vague? How do you guys in any way equate "viscous" and "attack" with "saying a users name." Do you have a thesaurus?

This is the issue. Bus is clearly getting special treatment. Anyone who caused harm to his caliber would not otherwise have their DnT removed, at least without a TwC forever. There were so many people who received DnT for doing basically nothing who didn't get market user back as easily as he did. There's people who were HACKED or had some really shitty situation where they're still DnT.

Your system sucks.

There's too much open to staff interpretation where the staff clearly bends the rule for @Divine and makes poor choices just because they know him and have benefited from him one way or another in the past. It's extremely clear. Even as new situations arise, there's the same exact staff members always fighting for him to let him get away with shit.

1. He made obligations with someone (McDonald's review) and requested SRB after he knew he had these obligations and no intention to do them. He gets to just refund after he was reported, and it's fine?
2. He wrote reviews for himself. Yes they're not "vouches" and it's off-site but they're not "marketing" or "opinions" as some staff members state. So I can post "opinions" about myself on Sythe that deceive my customers into thinking I'm trusted and have good reviews/feedback/vouches (whatever you want to call it) and it's not a show of, at the very least, bad character?
3. Are the people that got his dNt removed the same people constantly defending him now? Is it just oky for him to be able to say "I'm telling @video " every time and get special treatment? Is it okay for @Island to state he's basically working for him and then even though he has a conflict of interest infract everyone for saying his name in the spam forum?
4. A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE in the community, the same people who voted for him to be banned --> DNT in the first place, the entire reason the DnT process was started (to reverse shit staff decisions) want a harasher punishment for him. Yet there's no system in place where the staff listens.

You're not addressing any of the issues here. You're just re-iterating the shitty rules and the shitty way they're being interpreted. How about making some actual change?

Can this be moved to suggestions? I actually want something to be done about this. This was meant to be created in suggestions. I reported the post for a move but it wasn't done.

@Tmoe @video @Hahanerd

 

I'd like to comment on this from my personal experience. It's biased. This is my personal experience and I understand that not everyone likes him.

I've never had a negative issue with Bus, whenever I've needed help he's been one of the people offering to help me.

One of the first times I got scammed Bus even payed for what I had lost. (It was small but still it was more than anything I had received before after being scammed.)

So long as he stays within the rules I have no issue with him using loopholes. By using loopholes the rules are improved upon and fixed so that certain things don't reoccur. Some people are inherently against bus, some are for.

As far as I know, Bus has no outstanding debts, and has been more than willing to repay those who he's done any misfortune to. I doubt staff have anything to gain by giving him preferential treatment, there was a banner ad that someone payed the site for that was anti-bus. Staff did nothing about that (nor should they unless it broke the rules).

 

Is that what you kids find hip and fun now? Harassing a man that is simply trying to make money on a website. If you have to harass him this much obviously he is doing something right.

"Shouldn't be able to get a name change" What? He has to keep "Previously known as Bus369" for 6 months that's like trying to run away from someone whilst on a treadmill.

I feel as though you are just hurt because your biggest accomplishment on sythe is that thread where you viciously attacked a man that obviously has some kind of mental illness, while also trying to ruin his reputation. (not that he doesnt do that on his own but nothing to the level you did)

I don't like bus, in fact I think he is extremely annoying i'd go as far as to say he is [almost] as annoying as you.

In conclusion, find something better to do with your time, rather than trying to ruin someones life.

@Grave

also -1 from me, he should be able to keep his name and stay on the site!

 

Lol, as if Bus's account was in good standing. He built his own shitty reputation, he should have to stick with it instead of name changing and looking like nothing happened 6 months down the line unless you know what to look for.

 

I support a perm ban as well if we want to get the community back to where it once was getting rid of the roaches is the first step to that. His list is almost as long as Finns and Finn was to remain permanently banned for the better of the site per Richard. I think we should do the same thing here ( Finn list was longer but you get the point) some people are just toxic for the site. There are so many other games besides Runescape. Removing the roaches is a good first start.

 

If by "viciously attacking" you mean list a recording of his offenses, then the government must be viciously attacking everyone with a record history. To my knowledge, @Divine recently got unbanned for his blackhat activities. He by no means should be able to have his username changed so suddenly under these circumstances.

 

Support, if it was any other member they would at least have a TWC. I think we've seen by the infractions given out that certain staff are biased.

 

My user name request was denied because of recent dnt, and it was only to change to Peaceful, which everyone knows me as anyway...... @Tmoe ??

Other than that I dont see a problem with Bus. Get over it

 

I've been inactive for a while, just want to make sure I've got this straight. Bus comes back from yet another ban, sees everyone airing his dirty laundry, requests a major name change and SF ban, now no one is allowed to say a bad word about him or his business practices in the spam forum or they risk infraction? Come on.

 

Pretty much, one of the reasons I left the team was lots of incompetent staff members, none of the threads about him should of been locked and I made that clear when certain staff members began to lock the threads but there was only so much I could of done as a sectional. This is just one situation of incompetence out of many that I witnessed while being a sectional mod over the past six months, Richard did eventually step in and fix the situation which was good I guess since no other upper staff member was willing to.

Also see this thread where Bus/divine left a review for himself on two separate occasions, yes reviews not comments yet no punishment is given out even though it's clearly the equivalent of fake vouching, not a surprise considering he has a few staff members working for him though I guess.

Another reason I left which is equally as important or possibly even more important is the fact that Richard allowed Elite Dust to make a new account even though his most recent pardon got 0 yes votes and ~13 no votes so if you want to complain about something this should probably be discussed as well. To be fair he had to register his business SahaGold as an LLC and make all his info public but me and every other staff member I talked to still don't agree with him being allowed to make a new account. It's a giant slap in the face to people who have done WAY less than the guy yet have to pardon, not to mention the people who will get punished in the future, I personally didn't feel right handing out punishments knowing the guy was roaming around scott free. Saha/Elite Dust is currently 2 week banned for leaking someone's rsns, maybe Richard will come to his senses in the time he's banned and keep him banned for good.

 

Cannot agree more, with the staff team being incompetent and TRASH mostly upper. This shit needs to be fixed just making the site die faster than it already is.

my boy hahanerd legit tho

 

Richard doesn't care don't you see, everyone has their own agenda on this website, the few staff members that are actually here to HELP and IMPROVE Sythe have resigned. It's all about money and numbers, hence why some members are getting back easily. They bring in money.

 

Richard stop giving half a fuck a long time ago. I've been here through it all, through all of the shit staff (Finn), through all of the drama, through the big scams and the SF Drama (Nano's Dick) and this place never changes. The staff shuffles to younger, dumber kids who have just spent the majority of their young adult life playing Runescape and not experiencing any actual part of life - that's how they became mod in the first place. You just jerked off someone who was upper-staff long enough back then and BAM! you're a mod. I am not active anymore because Sythe has become a literal shell of it's former self. There used to be a sense of community and fun, but all the good community members are gone now and this place has gone to shit.

Now from that aside, Bus has been and always will be a no-good piece of shit. The fake vouches, the scams, the unpaid workers who have had their bonds stolen by him. It's a repeated story that goes on, but he builds a good rapport with the staff. Gives them jobs, and money, and makes their life easier so he can slip through the cracks. If you've got enough money and enough time, you can get by with anything on sythe really. It really is just a matter of passing money to the right, incompetent person.

 

For some reason I always assumed staff were older, more established members who went through rigorous vetting prior to title awards. Interesting to learn these views.

Support. The whole scenario sounds purely like monetary corruption.