Rework how rs account sales liability works

I've been considering making accounts and selling them to customers who use my gold-site service to buy and sell rsgp.

The way it works right now, there is no way to sell an account and not have a risk of getting scammed by someone simply acting like the account got recovered and they lost money. It literally comes down to he said/she said and it's stressful knowing that could come up at any time days,months, even years after selling accounts.

The biggest problem is the fact that the jagex account recovery system is god awful and i've seen it happen multiple times where people are able to recover accounts from people they barley know just by finding out basic info such as IP address, etc. If the account is shared by two friends, the friend who uses the account could easily recover the account knowing the past passwords and other IRL info about his friend, and completely deny it, blaming it on the account seller.

The way it should be in my opinion is the account buyer has full liability and responsibility for the account after it is purchased, just as it is with purchasing gold, if you get banned, if your friend hacks your gold, it doesn't matter its off the sellers responsibility. Now i realize this is probably a bad format for the newcomers and lower reputation people on sythe who sell their accounts, and the buyer should have some sort of insurance, but it would also make it so if you need an account, you should ONLY buy it from the extremely trusted people on sythe.

Another thing i'm wondering is if you write a contract with the buyer of the account stating that they are in full responsibility of the account after it's sold, would that prevent the possibility of people staging getting recovered and losing money, and granting the seller the insurance of not needing to worry about that?

 

support, i've seen scammers buy accs off trusted people then re-sell & recover accounts countlessly using the OO's rep to give them leverage in selling the account & then palming off the guilt to the OO

 

What determines a "trusted" user? Even so, there have been "trusted" users in the past who have scammed/recovered accounts. If this were to happen under your proposed suggestion, what good would it do for account buyers - many of whom are newcomers or people not familiar with account sales.

 

This doesn't solve anything. You're just shifting the blame.

 

Well I don't agree with making the buyer responsible for everything, it would be too easy for account sellers to scam.

I do think that people should be encouraged (sticky or something) to buy accounts only from original owners, and not account resellers. Most, if not all, problems occur after the account has been sold numerous times.

 

The buyer would need to use their own judgment on who they purchase accounts from. Just as gold sales, you will find more trusted sellers at higher prices, and less trusted sellers at lower prices, it's like that with anything in life.

To answer the "If this were to happen under your proposed suggestion, what good would it do for account buyers" and "This doesn't solve anything. You're just shifting the blame." --- I'm not saying it's a fix to the problem, i'm saying the way it works right now is not good. The person with less reputation and trust is able to scam someone with more trust/rep. It's not logical, and it prevents a lot of trusted people from even wanting to dip their toes into this market.

Think about it like this, It's semi-shifting the blame *when* an account get's recovered, but just for a second imagine if someone like bogla was selling 90% of the accounts, there would be so few cases of accounts getting recovered, because the account sales would be mainly going to the people who are highly trusted, and the highly trusted people are way less likely to cause problems than the less trusted people.

By having the buyers responsible, it would eliminate a ton of accounts getting recovered. The reason is simple - The probability of a trusted user recovering an account, is a lot lower than the probability of a non-trusted user recovering an account. The way it's set up right now, the only people who risk selling accounts because of the potential of stress/future headaches that i've already mentioned, are the members who are MORE LIKELY TO SCAM.

 

I don't see this being a controllable thing.

As long as the liability rules are laid out ahead of time, ANYONE going to make a sale is willingly taking the risk of a re-sale and it coming back on them.

 

All im saying is it would reduce the amount of accounts getting recovered/scammed if trusted gold sites/others were able to sell accounts without risk of getting scammed by someone who bought their accounts. Doing so would eliminate the need to buy accounts from sketchy members resulting in far less problems imo.

The way its formatted now, not many trusted members of the community want to take that risk of selling accs, because if the buyer streams himself w/ 10b on his account and it gets magically recovered , youre liable, which to an extent it should be like that, but then you see a benefit of buying a maxed main from someone for 500$ compared to a newcomer on sythe for 100$ with 2k total level..

 

Until its possible to completely transfer ownership of an account nothing like this will ever work.
It either benefits the seller or benefits the buyer for good reasons or bad, there is no middle ground sadly.
The issue is the poor account recovery system imo.

 

No support, I think this is really a terms and conditions thing that the buyer and seller should work out between them. If you are selling on your website you can make that a terms and conditions thing no problem. And if you are selling here, just make a thread and link it to your site. Simple

 

agree with this. This is why I don't really sell accounts or do services anymore. It's the buyers that are scamming nowadays. Complete sad.

The only way is create a account from scratch with no registered email. Once given, everything is up to the buyer's responsibility after that. But again, it's kind of dangerous still. People can hack into it pretty easily.

 

To be honest there needs to be something made explaining in detail how liability falls and what situations result in what.

This market is such a confusing mess I cant even tell anymore where the liability goes in what situation, I have no idea how staff are keeping track either.

I'd support buyers becoming liable in more situations, I read the above comments and the biggest disagreement appears to be "ur just shifting the blame" but from what I understand, all the blame in every situation goes onto the seller, NONE on the buyer.

I cant think of a situation the buyer has liability or blame no matter what the situation, while I don't want to just switch the blame, I think the blame should certain be balanced on both buyer and sellers.

Right now the account market is certainly solely blaming sellers because frankly its easier that way, if it falls on staff to determine every single case on a case by case basis and whether the buyer might be at fault, it causes a lot more headaches and hassle all around.

I think there is certainly a happy medium to be found in this market, I do think sellers are getting shafted currently though.

With how long this problems been running you'd think eventually we'd get a set of rules defining who is responsible in what situation and we can be done with this mess...

 

TBH it should stay the same THE OO is responsible as they can always recover

 

ok but that still makes it where the buyer can scam the seller.. they can stage a recover of 1b or w/e amount and then it comes down to who is scamming, did the seller recover, or is the buyer trying to act like he lost 1b to hold the seller liable.. that's not how it should be

 

I see where your coming from but wouldnt they have to prove that they had 1b on the account

 

step 1. turn on twitch for first time
step 2. omg dc'd
step 3. log in green stack of tokens gone
step 4. profit

 

Horrible idea mate. What's to stop someone from recovering an account, training it a little bit and reselling it. It will promote scamming in a really bad way.

I see where you're coming from, but as a seller you need to take special precautions to keep yourself safe. If you employ practices such as @video you'll almost assuredly be fine. Set up an agreement where you do not give creation details and require the buyer to sell it back to you if at some point down the road they do not want it. Buy it back for 75%, and I'm sure they'll be happy. You can profit more, they get a decent sum back and from a trusted source.

 

what im saying is no matter what pre-caution you take, you theoretically could end you in a situation like ihatequesting was in where someone was on stream, the acc got dc'd and the gold was removed from the acc, and he was responsible. and that's keeping A LOT of trusted sellers from even thinking about selling rs accs

 

This is actually a very valid point. I am going to create a thread tomorrow in staff lounge and discuss the nature of account trading tomorrow.

I do disagree about buyers assuming all liability amd will post inmore detail tomorrow.

This is exactly what I havd implemented in my sale thread. I disagree that buyers should assume all responsibility but the point about staging wealth (pretty likely) is extremely dangerous. But then I suppose we cant assume it's guaranteed staged as it may not have been.

Going to discuss in staff lounge though and get more opinions.