Involved in an interesting OSRS Acc-->LoL Acc trade; wondering if anything is against Sythe rules

Hello everyone,

I'll try to make this as short as possible.

I'm wondering if anything below is against Sythe rules (if so, please provide sources; quote the relevant section of the rules, link past threads that set precedence, etc [because I couldn't really find anything]) or is considered dishonorable by the community. If dishonorable, what else can I do in this situation, beside wait indefinitely and consider my investment lost?

[Everything was done via Sythe PM; there would be no issue in verifying anything]
On Sept 23rd I finalized a deal with another Sythe.org user (99.9% sure they are not a ban evader or anything [person was using his second account when I first met him, and later recovered his original account that was several years older & a donor) that would disqualify them from, for lack of better words, "the rights of a Sythe.org member")

The (summarized) details:
For my LoL account, they would be given a level 3 account with approximately 10M startup money, fresh off of tutorial island.

They needed to obtain a variety of skills, most notably 55 slayer (on an obby mauler), with the condition that the range and mage levels of the account would not exceed 50 and the prayer and defense levels would not exceed 1.

When the account was completed as specified, I would regain control of the OSRS account, then give them the details to my LoL account.

Original date of completion: Within 14 days, which equates to October 7th
However, progress was absurdly slow, along with a few other things that caused me to worry about the likelihood the account would be completed in decent time, so I asked for an updated date of completion, as there was no way it would be finished by the 7th.

They said they would place another bond on the account, and
Updated date of completion: (Given on October 3rd) "By the end of next week", which translates to October 10th at the latest.



Another important thing to note is that prior to entering this deal, I explicitly and clearly asked if they would like to discuss breakpoints; meaning, if the account reaches X amount of progress then they decide they don't want to finish the account, I'll give them Y OSRS GP, so that they aren't entirely uncompensated for the work they've performed.

The other party stated they did not want to even discuss such a clause; that they were 100% certain they would complete the account.




Which brings me to my current situation.

It's now midnight on October 12th. I last heard from them the afternoon of October 10th, Monday.

I have 10M invested. At the current rate, I wouldn't doubt the account would take another 30 days to complete.

This is nervewracking; and, if possible, I believe I may want to back out of the transaction. However, the other party refused to discuss what would happen in such an event, and so if I back out, they would be left with nothing to show for all their work and time put into the account.



So my questions are

• Sure I could be a good guy and offer them payment for what they've done, but what if the amount I give isn't sufficient in their opinion? I don't see any way I could be held to give them X amount of gold, if I have proof they refused to discuss such a situation, despite my having made a sincere attempt to. Additionally, if I choose to reclaim the account and give them no compensation, is that breaking any rules?

• Is it against any rules or does anyone have strong negative opinions about me reclaiming the account in this situation?

• What would you do if you were me; what would you consider your options to be?

Thank you for your input!

 

Due to your previous agreed upon terms of service I would agree that you are free to recover the account if youve made several attempts to be in contact with said service provider and they have failed to comply.

As I mentioned, since they have a verbal contract with you and communication has been broken you are only taking appropriate security measures in protecting your own account. Be sure that you have done your due diligence in trying to contact the service provider and coming to a mutual agreement before taking actions into your own hands and recovering the account.

Contact the other user. If they are non responsive recover the account. Once the user eventually gets back to you, come to an agreement. Based on your previous conversation this user has failed to provide the service as promised and has forfeited payment based on his 100% certainty that was mentioned prior to the service starting. As long as this can be proven by thorough chat logs then you should be in the clear from there.

 

How many attempts and/or how long would you think is sufficient though?

"verbal" = written*

Also, more importantly, can you go a bit more in-depth with your thoughts on phrases such as "If they are non responsive recover the account. Once the user eventually gets back to you, come to an agreement." compared to "...this user has failed to provide the service as promised and has forfeited payment based on his 100% certainty that was mentioned prior to the service starting. As long as this can be proven by thorough chat logs then you should be in the clear from there."

as they seem to contradict each other.

Hypothetically, let's say I make an attempt to contact this person every day, twice a day, for 5 more days. That would give him ample time to reply, and there's no way he could not have seen my messages (I would not try only through Skype, would also PM him on Sythe).

After that, I would recover the account.

What do you mean by "come to an agreement"? If I've waited 7 days, tried everything I can, and I have proof that he refused to discuss this situation even though I attempted to, what am I supposed to agree to?

Additionally, you stated "...has forfeited payment...as long as this can be proven...you should be in the clear from there." which would equate to not coming to an agreement, and giving this user nothing.

I understand it may not be the absolute kindest course of action, but I feel as though it is within reason.


Finally, just to clarify, you can't think of anything in the Sythe.org rules that deals with this? I tried to look for past situations, but couldn't find any. Which is surprising to me because I know giving people fresh level 3s with bonds is a fairly popular practice....

 

I think you're free to recover but I would recommend reporting the situation here just to be safe although you're 100% in the right.

 

Once you recover the account you're essentially starting a dispute process in which you may be forced to come to a mutual agreement. Recovering the account comes after trying to make contact. It sounds like youve taken those steps already and now its time to recover the account. Recovering the account is not the end-all to this situation.

 

If only more people wrote out detailed summaries like this.

@Snowbear - This can be looked at more than one way. To me, the best thing would to give the user X amount of days to even contact you again. Let's say 5 days. If the user contacts you, just discuss that you will pay them partially, for the work that they did, but take into consideration slightly that even the partial work was nowhere near the original time frame. They should again, in my opinion, forfeit their right to your LoL account, as the work wasn't completed. If they fail to contact you within this time, I would think it's logical to just regain your account, I don't know why the password would have been changed in the first place, but that's nor here nor there. If the user wants to create a dispute demanding payment when they decide to show their face again, cross that bridge when it comes.

However, staff may find that they MUST complete the work, which I feel is unlikely. Let's be honest, with the work order you provided, that should have taken no time to complete.

 

To clarify, as far as I know, it wasn't. I haven't logged in because I can simply hi-scores the account for progress reports; a proxy wasn't used so I don't want the IPs changing.

Will go ahead and post this in the Ras section to get some staff feedback.

 

Best of luck to you, I hope that it all works out. Be sure to link this thread in your report.

 

How many times are they supposed to contact said person? And if said person was not able to access internet to communicate with the owner, also you said it was a ten mill investment, you only put 5 mill into the account and a few supplies total not surpassing 6 mill, that was inaccurate. I have invested 5 mill of my own as well but that was not required that was done by my own accord.

 

Are you a fucking cunt?
The guy doesn't have a place to sleep, internet, got kicked out of the house, etc. Give him some time to get his shit together, be a fucking HUMAN, and not a scumbag who is just worried about his rs07 account.

 

Given his situation, you can't expect him to complete the job. With that being said, even though he verbally agreed it would be done and no compensation would be needed, it still makes you morally obligated to compensate him for the work he has done.

Unfortunately life takes unexpected twists and although you may seem upset that your account hasn't been leveled to your expected levels, he has still worked and took time out of his day to begin completing the task and something in his life went sour. Coming up with a reasonable amount that both you AND him agree on, would be ideal.

 

Can a mod get involved and just let us know where to go from here, I have had enough stress I just wanna resolve the issue please.

 

Was just a rough number, the OP left out a lot of detail. I'm not responsible for your investment. This entire thread was just a *poll*. I wanted opinions. It wasn't meant to paint you as a scammer or hurt your reputation. I was going through a unique situation, and wanted to other viewpoints so that I could proceed in the best way possible. Even the thread in RaS was not made to accuse you of scamming; it was made so that a staff member would address the thread because their opinions are the ones that carry weight (in the sense that they hand out TwCs, bans, etc.)

At the time of this thread's creation, I did not know the details of his situation, which invalidates the majority of your comment.

As far as giving him time, that is *exactly* what I discussed in the OP. How much time he should be given, how diligent I should be during that time in making efforts to contact him, etc.

That concern was handled anyway, since he ended up replying not long after the thread was created.

verbally = written*

Reference the above thread for more detail on this; I cannot think of any situation in which this occurs in the real world. I understand this is a video game and all that, but there is **real** money involved.

I do agree with you though. Given the details in the OP and everything up until Staff opinion on my LoL Acc-->OSRS Acc Creation situation there was definitely a strong moral argument for compensating him anyway.

Had I known the account had already gained XP that it was guaranteed not to gain, I wouldn't have even made this thread.

To clarify, it is now no longer a matter of he didn't complete the account. It's that he leveled it in an unspecified manner (ruined). If you hire someone to train 60- 70 range on your 1 def pure account and they guarantee it will remain at whatever XP, let's say 2 defense (<83 xp, if I'm not mistaken) and they level 60-68 range and 1-2 defense, it wouldn't make any sense to pay them for ruining your account build.

Agreed (with the bolded). It likely would have ended in that way, although I still cannot think of any real-world examples in which this actually occurs.


Overall, thank you for the intelligent reply.

The other thread has been closed, and I've requested this one be closed as well.

Just to be 100% clear, neither of these threads were meant to accuse you of anything. They were not meant as a scam report. I noticed I was not getting any staff opinions here, so I took @Mootrucks suggestion to bring attention to this thread in the RaS section.

If you'd like to continue this for any reason, feel free to open a thread in RaS. All I was trying to do with these two threads is gather opinions, but now that the situation has changed, my threads are no longer necessary.