Dicing PoF

I'd like to suggest making it mandatory in the Donor Lounge to provide proof of funds when dicing over the equivalent of 25m 07. It's far too easy for people to take a chance at a roll when they don't have the funds to do so.

When people do this and win, they are scamming, even though the opposite party doesn't know. If they lose, then they most likely won't pay. Dicing with funds you don't have is unethical and just opens doors for bad scenarios.

In most cases of gambling/dicing a host has both party's money, this way you know payout is 100%. Almost all dicing going on now is "oh, I lost, looks like I have to go buy gold". This not only wastes the other persons time, but goes against the thread policy for it. This also allows people to keep ON dicing while they still have yet to payout.

I realize some people are genuine and buy the gold needed to payout the roll in a timely manner, but what happens if something occurs preventing them from the purchase? They are either banned, or the other party agrees to give them more time for a solution, which in most cases is all they can do to assure they get paid.

Here's a prime example:



All I'm suggesting is when you decide to dice, both party's must upload proof of funds with their Sythe name in chat and username censored.

You might say this is stupid, and to just dice or get in contact with whoever you're dicing with, as it's both their choice to roll against. This doesn't work too well when you make a post to dice and somebody else quotes to roll without the funds and wins/loses. Same applies to somebody you've been dicing with for awhile, what if you've cleaned them and they want to DoN? You've trusted them in the past but have no idea of knowing if they have the funds to do so. In the moment, you might just go for it.

Thoughts?

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Support, saying something like this would work:

dicing 50m 07, quote with roll and proof of funds to accept

I don't feel like it should be a rule every dice, but it should be enforced if asked they quoted your post that said proof of funds required.

Sounds confusing, but support.

 

I don't think it should be required for every roll above a certain amount. I do however thing that if requested, proof must be shown within a reasonable timeframe, or that user is banned from the dice lounge / dicing on Sythe.

 

No support, I ALWAYS ask to see the funds before dicing, even if their trusted to prevent this.

like trade me the 07, show the btc etc, uploading funds sounds like a pain in the fucking ass.


If someone posts their dicing something, then wait until their on and make sure they have the funds, super easy way around this.


Your dumb if you quote and dice people while their snoring in their bed anyway, u never know what might happen.

 

So you think any dice post can be quoted to ask for PoF, and if not shown within an amount of time they are banned from dicing? If so, this a great alternative to what I had in mind.

 

Why do you always make posts about yourself lol?

This shouldn't affect you and should only be applied to those who ask for PoF. For example, because I'm sure you'll imagine something entirely different:

A simple gyazo of your btc wallet or a gp stack with your name typed in is not hard to do.


Again, this would only be required if the person offering the dice ASKS FOR POF. I don't understand how I could make this any more clear.

 

I've never seen you dice, and if you have, it was probably for mini's.

If uploading PoF is such a pain in the ass, then we might as well allow people to sell accounts without pictures, wouldn't want to burden them. (selling/buying gold is totally different as any reasonable person would see the amount in trade window before sending paymet)

Not everybody has time, and what stops them from ignoring you for inquiring about proof? They could just choose to go offline or let somebody else quote the roll.

Not sure what you're on about quoting rolls while they are sleeping...

Both yours and FlyingToast's suggestions are great, especially together. Would make dicing a lot cleaner and safe.

 

At the end of the day it may better to simply be choosy with who you do decide to dice with no?

 

I dont see a reason why we couldn't enforce a PoF request if the person quoted someone requiring it? That's all I think should be required.

 

Exactly what Pure said, I think the deliberation is now more so being required to show PoF on request.

 

I don't think this is necessary. It's a pain for people who dice frequently and proof can be faked/reused too easy. Just don't dice someone you don't trust.

 

You can't know for certain who will quote your roll. Read the replies and post back on what you think.

 

Support. Under the condition that they're displayed as a GIF and not an image.

An image can be re-used or modified easily. I believe that using Gyazo's GIF tool to make a short clip of the funds and chat box would be appropriate. It takes less than 30 seconds and becomes a much more reliable source to prove funds. The person should be required to provide the date and Sythe username.


Example:
https://gyazo.com/08a49bacb9a71b7e7a83f91be46e961b

 

Have them PM you or add you on skype before they roll is what I would suggest, if anyone came at me wanting to dice and had less than 50 vouches and was a 2016 user i'd probably make them let me hold or use an MM.

 

Again, this is more directed at requiring proof upon quote. An example:

Billy posts a 200m 07 bet asking anybody to quote/roll to accept

Timmy quotes Billy's post and asks for PoF

Billy doesn't respond/can't provide proof

Billy is banned from dicing

 

You're right. I was under the impression that it would always be required. In case someone explicitly asks for proof of funds on a dice offer then obviously the person who quotes that has to provide proof of funds. I don't think that requires any changes in the rules though.

EDIT: The other way around it shouldn't be required to provide PoF upon request if you're not also asking for PoF yourself. It would be a pain to be required to reply to each PoF request. Again don't dice with people you don't trust.

 

Exactly! I know it sounds harsh, but users have no business dicing amounts they don't currently posses.

 

I don't see why not, we require proof of accounts before selling them.

 

In my opinion it all depends who you dice.

From my experience i would only dice people i trust. Even if they didn't have the funds, i knew that they would pay me because i trusted them.

So all in all, like jack said, Just be picky who you dice against.