Requiring Sythe PM's to be refunded.

So doesn't that mean any trusted user can scam anyone who adds their skype and doesn't ask for a PM?

examp0le:

*adds dunworry on skype, makes sure its typed correctly*

*asks to sell 2b 07*

*dunworry says sure bro*

*dunworry takes the 07*

*haha kid im hacked ask for pm next time ty for 2b!*

logic

 

This has been brought up in the staff lounge. From what i've heard, there was a corrupt skype staff member in 2013 that a sythe user had access to. The skype staff would hand over the info on command; as a result, a TON of skypes were hacked and thousands of dollars stolen on the regular. This rule was put in after that. We're reviewing the necessity of it due to that being passed, 2FA being an option, and the point you brought up above.

(Please feel free to correct me if any of the above is wrong)

 

I believe Skype 2fa should be required for anyone who donates X amount. This is rediculous

 

im in favor of removal. we act on the principle of "we think this occurred beyond a reasonable doubt" for all other things on sythe, don't see why this should be any different

@ pa - i agree that 2fa makes total sense, but some people don't want to do it for whatever reason. we probably can't require it (actually, come to think of it, is there a reason we don't require 2fa for all users....?)

 

I have 2fa on sythe and a new 2fa skype.
However, i think pm's should still be required for all transactions because skype is not the platform we are dealing on.... Its just an outside source we use to communicate.

Anywase i would honestly be annoyed if we had to refund for just our skype being hacked as its a tool we are forced to use outside of sythe to communiate. And by forced your right not physically being forced to use it, however EVERYONE uses it for business as sythe is a pain to use.....

Just my 2 cents tho.

 

Donation amount does not = trust.
I know tons of people who are lower level donators than you that I would trust with alot more.



While I agree something needs to be done about this; Sythe is and has always been a free market. I cant immediately think of anything that would be a good alternative to making every user get a 2fa'd skype/sythe. Sythe requires that from all of its staff/omm members.

 

Seems to be an issue. You're responsible for your skype, regardless of whether you PM someone or not, that's my opinion. If your skype is hacked and the hacker scams someone, you're responsible. It's that simple to me.

 

Except hacking skypes is extremely easy to do whenever somebodies skype is not 2fa'd.


Its only the larger people get targeted more.

 

Why is having your Skype hacked currently a valid excuse? Or am I misunderstood?

Although it's not impossible for a Skype with two-factor authentication to get hacked, I think everyone would agree that it's very improbable. With that being said, it seems like the "my Skype got hacked" excuse is a really poor excuse considering the tools that are readily available to prevent both Skype and Sythe account hackings.

For a forum that generates a majority of its activity based on sales/trades, it would not be unreasonable to require two-factor authentication for all users IMO.

 

Yeh it's easy if it's not 2fa'd, so who's responsible for that... That's why the scam should be on them, you're responsible for your skype it's black and white to me.

 

Maybe not donations but I believe if you're an anybody you should have your Skype 2fa'd. The tools are there, it's free, you not 2fa'ing your Skype should be on you.

 

How is this measurable though?

 

The PM rule should stand. I'm literally a nobody when it comes to the market For instance someone like me, i trade like maybe once or twice a year and never log onto skype. If my skype were hacked unbeknownst to me, why should i be held responsible? I dont trade and dont have much trust other than a few trades here and there over the past 3 years so theres no real reason for me to bother getting my skype 2FA'd.

If you have some sort of business on Sythe, you should have 2FA imo but saying that all users are responsible if there skype gets hacked is a bit of a stretch.

There should also be exceptions in the current rule similar to Bus's ruling by shin, if your account gets hacked repeatedly then they should be held responsible for not having 2FA set up after the first time. How many times has pinkgaga's skype been hacked?!?!?

 

^ I also agree that the rule should stand and I personally plan on getting a 2FA Skype fairly soon, it's common sense to ask for a PM when conducting a trade in my opinion.

 

Yeah that's if you know how Sythe works. A lot of people have no idea what PMs even are, hence why impastas are so pertinent. Skype is the platform EVERYONE uses to trade on here, deal with it. If you leave yourself open to being hacked, that's on you. EVERYONE who's Skype is worth hacking knows what 2fa is and there should be no excuse.

Why WOULDN'T you 2fa your skype? It takes like 3 minutes to make?

 

It's unfair to the user(s) who are scammed as a result of negligence. Market members should either get two-factor authentication or be prepared to face the consequences when their Skype gets "hacked" (i.e. refund the victims in order to get unbanned).

 

Never trade trade without a PM.

Simple, takes two seconds to ask.

 

Exactly! I don't understand why people having such a difficult time understanding this. If you're considering conducting business on Sythe, you should 2FA or prepare uranus...

Yes, but only people who have been on Sythe for a decent bit know this (vaders included) and I didn't even know what a PM was until my 2nd week here lol.

 

Anyone coming with an understanding of forums should know how a PM system works, also the rules should be read.

An understanding of forums shouldn't be shy in people in 2016, I've been dealing on online markets for years, I know my experience doesn't apply to everyone but look at Facebook for example they have a pming system on there people buy off Facebook all the time and use the PMing system as they would here.

Therefore if it's in the rules and you're supposed to read the rules the first day, the blame is not on Sythe but the user.

The problem is not with the PM rule itself, people are unwilling to educate there self on the websites systems in place then it's there fault if they get scammed sorry but it's true.

 

The solution is simple. Make everyone liable for their skype. Create a forum announcement and mass email/pm all members of the forum detailing why they should enable 2fa for skype and the possible consequences of not doing so, include a guide on how to do it with various options. Encourage the use of a PM before trade, don't make it necessary to validate a trade. Inactive users (those who haven't recovered their sythe account after the mandatory process will be exempt if their skype is compromised after this ruling). I'm not sure if the last active date resets when prompt to recover/reset the password of the sythe account, but admins should be able to indicate who is inactive. New users will also receive the same PM until further notice. Add a grace period of about 1-2 weeks to make sure most people receive word of the new ruling before it's active.

It is 2016 people, it's time to catch up. Stop being a prisoner to your archaic rules.