[ADMIN]Reporting Moes6223 for refusing to pay me for my work

Profile - http://www.sythe.org/members/353587-moes6223.html
Proof of skype match - http://puu.sh/fbOCd/65bbda8584.jpg


The case - Moes and I worked together, I was one of his workers for his Ikov business which he owned. One day, Moes who was friends with a staff member on Ikov, threatened that staff member and got both himself and myself mac banned and IP banned from the server. Shortly thereafter I contacted that staff member, explained that the conflict between him and Moes was strictly between them two and that I no longer wished to be a part of it, seeing as Moes had no right to bring me down alongside him. He now is claiming that I stole his contacts and that he doesn't have to pay me because I made him a promise when we first started working together that I would not steal his customers or main supplier.

His main supplier being the user Jake whom was apparently proven to have dealt with blackhat activities in the previous report where Soul Rich, myself, and Moes were claimed to be "teamed up" with blackhat users to sell gold. I promised Moes that I would never contact the user Jake, nor would I steal any of Moes' customers. I have stayed true to that, he however claims that I turned the staff member who mac banned us both against him and he blames me for the ban he received on the server.

Also - Moes claims that I owe him $200+ from all my working wages because he is saying I am the one who took his business and stole his business from him, when he knows that he's banned for blackmailing the server staff.

Proof shown in deleted post below for the sake of the staff member who's information should not be leaked throughout this whole process -

Proof of him refusing to pay + the amount he owes ($26.73) ---

Proof - shown in deleted post below for the sake of the staff member who's information should not be leaked throughout this whole process -

I don't want Moes banned, I believe he should be able to tell his side of this story as well and staff can decide on the outcome

Moes' reasoning for why I should refund him all the payments from when I worked with him is this -

http://i.imgur.com/5YI5D9k.png

My Response:

That's me saying I don't have time to start a business/wouldn't start a business of my own on Ikov. Although shown slightly out of context, I did agree to never make contact with his supplier (Jake) and I stuck true to that. I never once contacted the guy for gold. The only reason I am now running my own business is because Moes went and got both him and myself removed from the market and I don't think it's valid for me to be unable to participate in a market simply because Moes couldn't hold his temper and threatened to blackmail someone. That being said, I don't think I should be forced out of a market because of someone elses beef with someone, that problem is between Moes and the person who he got into an argument with, there's no reason for me to be forced down alongside him.

 

Money owed for previous work is money owed. No matter if the business crashed or not for ANY reason, if someone put in the work/time you have to pay them.

Dave worked for/with Moe and he put his time in and has to be compensated for that time as previously arranged.

If you so chose not to deal with Dave in the future that's your choice but you cannot scam him.

Will give 24 hours to be resolved.

 

Drento I would suggest PMing him, I really don't want him banned as an outcome of this, I would much rather have it resolved if that's a possibility with Moes but he's asked that I don't handle it because he wants a fair assessment of the situation so if you could possibly PM him and work it out with him I'd appreciate it.

 

Yes I will pay him for the work he did. However it doesn't make sense to send him money while he owes me something much more valueable; my business.

I gave him access to my skype because he agreed to not start his own ikov business with the same supplier as you can see in one of the images [1]. He decided to break our agreement and used the contact details of a staff member, which I earned by selling $2000+/month worth of ikov for a few months, for his own business. He didn't tell me about starting his own business and lied about using him [2].

You cannot deny the fact that he broke our agreement.

Look at the situation then:
http://www.sythe.org/private-server...onor-dbh-buying-ikov-gp-pp-sk-btc-07-rs3.html

And the situation now:
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=14334188#post14334188

I've got nothing and he's got everything. I will pay him the $27~. However I want him to stop using my contacts to run his business because it reduces the chance of me getting into the ikov business again and it is against our agreement. If he doesn't want to stop using him to run his business then I want $250USD for stealing my business(it's worth much more rofl).

Sources:
[1] http://i.imgur.com/5YI5D9k.png
[2] http://i.imgur.com/9wpTApl.png

 

Opened + put in Moes' response

 

You need to understand you cannot FORCE customers to stay with you, nor can you force Dave (who is now competition) to leave them. Welcome to business.

While Dave may have agreed not to start his own business it's simply his word and if he choses to break that it's his choice. There was no contract signed, or anything of the sort that is eligible to keep him away from selling GP.

As far as this scam report goes the only thing that needs/needed attention was/is the 27$ as it was an outstanding balance between you two. You can still get your customers back, you just have to do like every other business does with competition and offer better rates, etc to make yourself float.

Sorry for your loss, Moes but we really can't tell people who to do business with.

 

In that case it's very simple Drento. I agreed to give me a part of the profit however if I choose to break it then it's my own choice. There was no contract signed, or anything that can prevent me from not sending him a part of my profit, welcome to business.. It's exactly the same thing.


You see that it doesn't make sense what you're telling me? It's complete bullshit. You don't seem to understand that the contact I'm talking about made my business possible. He fucking stole it I trusted him with it because of our agreement. I'm talking about almost two thousand dollars per month in sales.

If you really want me to pay this thief then I would like proof of his sales consisting of trade screenshots & sythe pm's

Second opinion of an admin please.

 

I understand where you're coming from, but as I told you before we CANNOT moderate who sells gold to who, who buys from who, etc.

Anyway, I'll tag an admin in this but I'm confident they'll tell you the same thing.

 

I'd personally like to hear Dave's reasoning for breaking his word. While ToS and such usually don't come in to play; in this situation I feel Dave, as much as I regret to say it, has abused his position of trust in order to profit.

 

For breaking my promise about not starting a company? I explained it in the OP but I'll explain it in better detail -

Moes and I had a system worked out, I worked for him and promised that if we worked together I would not start a company, I wouldn't steal his contacts, and I would ONLY ever talk to his supplier if I needed GP to sell.

That all went well for I want to say around a month-month and a half up until one day Moes messages me and says "I don't want to accept PayPal anymore, so if you want to keep working together, you have to become the boss and I become the worker who gets paid X%"

Basically, he told me because we're getting too much PayPal, that I had to now switch positions with him. When I first started working with him I told him I'd ensure that I get paid X% of every sale and he gets the rest and he accepted liability and was the one who put up the funds for the trades. That was the original deal - he was now telling me that if we wanted to continue working we could either stop taking PayPal (which he and I both knew wasn't going to happen) or I would now become the "owner" and he would be the worker. I basically told him to fuck off because that wasn't what I agreed upon at all, I never signed up for that.

Shortly after this occurred, our supplier situation changed and because of this change Moes got into a massive argument with a staff member of Ikov thus resulting in the MAC and IP ban for both of us. Instead of trying to remedy the situation, Moes went ahead and attempted to blackmail the staff member and made the situation worse for us both.

After this occurred, I took it upon myself to contact the staff member privately and explain why there was no reason to have taken action against myself because Moes' blackmail statements were all his own. The staff member then gave me a proposal and with this the opportunity came about. I don't believe I abused anything because Moes basically first attempted to corner me into choosing to become the business owner which I told him I would not be interested in and then after doing so he went and got me basically removed from the server. I, on my own terms went and fixed the relationship with the staff who banned me and requested a second chance, and I advised Moes to do the same but Moes to my knowledge hasn't attempted to, he simply blames me for the entire situation.

I don't think it's fair that I should be either forced to become fully liable for myself + a worker or have to be banned on a server because of someone elses temper.

 

From what I see Moes told you "I'll share this suppliers name if you promise you wont use them yourself outside of our arrangement" or something of similar effect. Whether he got you removed from a server or not doesn't make that irrelevant just because you think so, and as a staff member you gave him your word.

 

I never went against that

From the OP ^

 

Roary, the deleted post above this may explain it a bit better. However if you are saying that I lied to him and then stole his contact, that is extremely incorrect. I told him I would never steal his supplier, I never did, that supplier hasn't spoken to Moes in ages, ever since that whole Moes, Dave, Soul Rich fraud report so I think you may have gotten confused by something in the report.

 

I never once lied to you about being in contact with that staff member, you asked me if I spoke to him and I told you "Yes after you got us banned I asked him for an unbanning and he offered me the exact same deal he offered you"

You are trying to pin your ban against me or say that my speaking to this contact diminishes your chances of being in the market? That's a COMPLETE lie because this "contact" was working with others before you and continues to work with others after you. There's no limit on the agreement with him so whether I had the arrangement or 100 other sythe users did, it doesn't take away from you at all.

My having this staff member doesn't affect your ability to partake in the market because this contact works with multiple users at once, the reason he isn't working with you is because you said this to him

'I will expose you to everyone if you don't unban me" and he simply told you to fuck off.

I never once lied to you about anything, you simply let your temper fuck you over and I've told you well over five times that you need to stop being stubborn and go apologize and remedy your situation. You cannot put the blame on me for something that you brought upon yourself

 

At the time of this conversation I was using Jake as my supplier. Now I use a different supplier




You promised to not start a business with the same supplier.

@Roary
He thinks this rule doesn't apply to the current supplier. Which is stupid.

At the time of this conversation you were using him:
http://i.imgur.com/OFDrumi.png

Correct me if I'm wrong. You just lied again.

 

Talking to both via text. Will post a final decision after that.

 

Alright, we're in agreement then (Moes and I at least). You can continue to pay the fee to the individual you are, Dave, but should he begin re-supplying you can't use him for that purpose; as that's what you promised.

As for the $26 odd, send Moes trade screenshots and he'll get the exact amount you're owed paid to you.

Otherwise; case closed.

 

Just realized that you asked me to provide trade screenshots, if that was a request made by Moes then it's a completely invalid request because he knows that I was never told to trade screenshots of my trades and I would go ahead and get chatlog proof of all the trades but he's changed his skype info and I can't get those either. All the money was handled by Moes so if he tries to claim that this money didn't come to him then he's lying and I will personally ban him myself

This log was kept and Moes checked these values all himself, if these values were EVER incorrect he would have noticed it in the GP and brought it up immediately cause we had X amount of stock and ran out with these numbers matching perfectly

http://puu.sh/fp5uB/cd2e9922ef.png

I expect him to pay the $26.73 within the next 24 hours - if not he should be banned

 

Re-opening this - refer to post above

 

It's not my problem that you didn't take any proof of your trades I personally vidded every trade in case of problems during the trade and I told you about that earlier.

The log was made a few weeks ago how am I supposed to check if the values are valid? I cannot check it. I just can't fully trust you anymore on the amount of sales. That's your problem not mine.

I think it's stupid that you did not collect any more details about your trades. What if one of our customers told you he didn't receive the money?