Feminism

How would equality suddenly change someone's sex, sorry? What are you actually attempting to state in relation to human biology and equality when you state #we would all be men or women'.

 

And now you're threatening violence because I want to live in a world of equality and opportunity? You wonder why women don't feel safe?

 

Do you even remember where this all got started? It was about women having the option to opt out from raising the child and having to support it financialy. While for men there is no such option if the woman wants you to pay then you will have to pay.

 

Please for the sake of my sanity tell me you are are trolling.

 

You said you wanted to attack me because I believe women are treated unfairly in our society and want equality and you don't? Your attitude alone scares me. I worry about the safety of your partner :/

 

Your attitude is atrocious. You're treating life as if it's some handkerchief. You're blinded by your own beliefs, and fail to compromise with rational responses. You can continue to twist words in attempt to push your argument. Just know it doesn't help if you're not being reasonable.

 

Air, air, air and more air. Make a solid argument why I am wrong and you are right. This "You are blablabla" isn't helping your case.

 

You haven't responded to all the statistics I posted proving women are discriminated against.

 

You're the only one on this thread who fails to acknowledge the inequality amongst sexes. That alone proves your inability to compromise.

 

I will not comment on that trash, because it would be a waste of time. Go out, live and then tell me that the world is so unfair. All you are doing atm is using false facts to proove something you have never even experienced yourself. Noone will pay a woman less for the same work. If he did then he would be sued. That's the real life.

 

The facts are provided by the UK government? How are you more knowledgeable than them? How can you dispute them? I do live in this world surprisingly, and I do feel discrimination. In this thread alone you have 'Called me unequal due to my lesser strength' and disclosed your desire to physically assault me. Now you claim to be more authoritative than the UK government in it's providing of facts regarding the UK population. Please, enlighten us all, oh great one.

Please ewad this: http://www.nwlc.org/resource/fair-pay-women-requires-increasing-minimum-wage-and-tipped-minimum-wage

And oh look, the White House also agrees and provides evidence that women are paid far less than men: http://www.whitehouse.gov/equal-pay/career

Good thing user above knows more than the UK and US government and can refute their facts and evidence as trash! Quality debating.

 

I have not said anything of such sort. If you look at the legal system then you can see how women get lighter sentences for the same crime. It's actualy quite common for a homicide to be rules self-defence if you are a woman. In the legal system being a woman > being a man and that's a fact which any lawyer will confirm and I have asked quite a few since my close friend is a lawyer.

 

I study mathematical statistics and I can confirm that noone has ever been able to proove that women get paid less for the same job, noone ever! If you are going to compair a supermarket clerk to an oil driller then guess what the salaries won't match.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/29/women-crime-vicky-pryce_n_4685494.html

Read this article for an opposing opinion if you can bear to handle one, don't threaten to attack the writer though please. Oh, and so now that you know both the white house and parliament acknowledge women are discriminated against when it comes to pay, will you admit it to be true?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/equal-pay/career

http://www.whitehouse.gov/equal-pay/career

http://www.whitehouse.gov/equal-pay/career

http://www.whitehouse.gov/equal-pay/career

http://www.whitehouse.gov/equal-pay/career

Your government seems to confirm that women are paid less than men.

 

Karlrais is a known troll when it comes to debating. I wouldn't give him too much facts, he might overload, and change the topic. Not worth your time.

 

^I applaude you for depunking that trash, should have done it myself but after reading her posts I lost all hope that she would even care.

I guess I was a bit too aggressive but it was 5 in the morning and I kinda snapped after she tried to use those "facts" to proove something. Should have thought about others readers and not about that 1 radical feminazi who likely doesn't care about real facts but only for the ones that serve her intrests.

 

I can't fully give a descriptive refute at this point in time being that I am on my phone, but I'll argue about the 5 rights you give.

1. I'm not sure what you specifically mean about that, but I'm guessing it's about genital mutilation. The act isn't done solely for aesthetics, it's a preventative measure for diseases. The female genitalia isn't at high risks of that as a male, which is why the act isn't approved of by the general public.

2. So do men.

3. Men do too, it's just not as easy as it is for a female. We're suppose to have sex with the intent of procreation.

4. It's like this for other animals. The father mates, and leaves, while the mother stays until the offspring is at an appropriate age in which it is able to fend for itself.

5. Coerced, coincides with preventive force.

 

No, you're missing the point. I am not referring to the desirability of the right to vote as regards its various effects, and instead am looking at the right itself.

Also just to note, even if the women were being protected under the law and excepted from voting (plus conscription) it would still be considered an unequal status.

 

Feminism is often a taboo term. People are ashamed to say "I am a feminist" because the term has been marred by extreme-faminazi's who hate men and think women are more entitled than men, women could live without men, etcetera.

Feminism, in itself, is the desire for women to be treated equally as men in ways that they may currently not be. That is all. That is literally all. THAT'S IT. When people retort ignorantly with "men are taught gender roles they feel they must abide by, what about men" or "men are assumed to be X, Y and Z - what about men?" or "there is no such thing as women being discriminated against in this day in age" or some kind of factbook of the amount of male victims of this, that and the next - I could go on, they forget that feminism isn't something that says men don't have problems too.

In most Eastern countries, women aren't educated. In most places, women who are raped are victimised rather than sympathised with "you were asking for it", "you were wearing X and Y". In most places, women are paid less than men for the same work. In most places, women aren't welcomed in male-dominated workforces even when they have the same or better qualifications and ability. In most places, women are sexualised by men but if they sexualise themselves they're hated on and called sluts. You get the idea, it goes on.

Anti-Feminist men often reply with "so does that mean a man can hit a woman then?" That's a silencing tactic. So that women think the only way they'll change this patriarchy we live in, is by being beaten. Some Anti-Feminist men reply with paragraphs about male victims - if men really cared about male victims they'd campaign for them not only as a reply to a feminist.
Luckily most Anti-Feminist people are that, anti-feminist, not anti-feminism. Mostly because the majority of the feminism they've come in to contact with is the extremist sort, the bad sort that is contradictory of the feminist purpose.

Kinda going off track here.. feminism is not anti-men or ignoring the fact that men have gender-related problems as well. IT ISN'T. That's a literal fact. Yes, it'd make more sense to just have an equality movement rather than women's and men's rights - it's just come this way.



@Sythe - gender is a social construct. That's a literal fact.

Biological sex and gender are two different things. You can be biologically male and your gender can be female at the same time - it's a scientifically backed mental-health condition called gender dysphoria, and it is a thing. Just wanted to clear that up.