No grace period for people who dont pay their dicing debt on time

Well say I call a $10 bet, the other user isn't online so I go do something for a few hours. While I'm gone the other user rolls and beat me. Since I'm not online and "can't pay" should I be banned? Ofc not. There needs to be some sort of grace period or just a rule that states if both users are online and the loser can't pay he should be banned.

 

I think any sort of grace period is bullshit and will just continue to cause problems. In all reality dicing has done nothing but cause problems (and increase mod workload with petty bullshit) since day one.

No mercy. Dicing should be between to players who are online that way people KNOW if they win or lose and who they owe right then. Otherwise we will hear excuse after excuse.

"I didnt check the thread"
"I didnt know" ect ect

 

So in the example I gave, do you think I should be banned because I was gone for a few hours after I rolled? If that's the case, then a lot of dicing will cease to exist in fear of being banned. A lot of times I will post an offer before I go to bed, then wake up and see if anyone called, and usually they aren't online to collect their winnings if they won, or pay me if they lost. I don't think it's fair to penalize the majority of honest dicers because a few people think it's cool to dice without having the funds to play with.

 

The grace people refers to people who say that they will pay 'tomorrow' or 'when I'm home from school' not for people who go AFK after the bet was made.

 

Debt != stealing.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost

 

That seems fine, but there needs to be a set rule in place saying, if you can't pay when you lose a bet and you and the other person are BOTH online, you are liable for TWC and to be banned.

 

How about people that want to participate in dicing need to purchase a "token" or something of that sort from a mod appointed to handling the section. Instead of waiting for GP to be exchanged tokens or points could be immediately. This should make it so those participating have to pay upfront and play within their limit of what they can afford.

Negatives:
- Someone needs to handle the money and be willing to cash people in/out on a daily bases

Positives:
- No temptation of scam quitting when faced with two options. (1) Scam quit or (2) give up your bank (in some cases)
- Instant payments in a sense
- Everyone plays within a controlled limit

 

I don't see that working. Since if they wanna dice immediately since they just got some money from like paycheck or service on Sythe, they won't want to go through a mod/other member to be able to do this. They want to go immediately.

I don't see this working for the time consumption.

 

I can't really disagree with this scenario, mainly because you used me as one of the examples.


In my experience people pm once they win offering a DON or their email address, sometimes both. If the person logs onto Sythe after this email is sent and still fails to send payment then clearly it breaks said 'grace'.

I don't agree with the ban on the spot, however the TWC should be given in these examples as an indication to the public that they have outstanding debt/shady dealings, and possibly a week ban from the dicing sections of the site as punishment.

I do however feel that after 24 hours after the winner has contacted the loser and has not received the payment/contact, it only fair that a ban be entirely up to the Winner and not that of the staff.
Other sections of the site this would warrant being banned in mere hours after the trade so I think it only fair to allow this curtsey to the betters.

 

I like the general idea Divica has given, but this suggestion by Travis seems like a more solid and easier to enforce idea.

A TWC should definitely be given if a user challenges another user, rolls and loses, and immediately tells the winner they can't pay yet for whatever reason. They shouldn't have rolled if they couldn't pay yet. But if it was something like I rolled first, and my opponent went afk and loses a few hours later when he finally does roll, then a grace period should be given. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that he might now actually be unable to pay till he gets to his PC or something.

In the end you can't just abolish the grace period completely. But if someone was shady with dicing, then it should be reviewed and a staff should look into it and see whether a TWC should be given.

 

Like Roary said, it'll be a case-by-case thing then. I'm fine with that.

 

In my opinion, there has to be a grace period, of some sort. I believe 24 (12?) hours would be more than enough. It's not always that fact of not affording to pay, it can also be the thing about somehow not being able to access your method of payment for some reason. This has happened to me in the past where I have diced rsgp, and then when I go to pay, rs won't load.

I wouldn't mind the idea of the grace period being abolished and a ban being placed on any users that continue to dice with other users even when the owe money through dicing to the original user that they diced with (if this is not already in place).

The idea is OK I guess, but has several flaws. There would probably have to be a surcharge payed to whoever is holding the money (if it is a mod), because they would highly likely get board of doing this before long. Also I don't see people waiting around for someone, most people want to dice immediately. In addition, this is pretty much already in place, simply use a MM/OMM.

 

Not relevant.

 

The moderator would look at that situation and ban - a newcomer spammer not paying out.. that's the beauty of case-by-case.

 

where do you guys even dice with real $? sounds like fun.

Can someone link me the section where this is done?

 

In the Donor Lounge.

 

www.sythe.org/dice-competitions/ for non-donors

 

No grace indeed for all the timewasters. If youre going afk just post you wont be able to answer to x dice or just void it. I would even recommend not dealing with people who are newcomers with $25 as a donation and sythe verified users who just created their acc aswell. Dont trust anyone unless they send the money to a MM so he can give it to the winner without scams. I don't see why this shouldnt be approved or even a new rule implemented where you had to have 'sufficient' proof of "willing "to repay otherwise it won't just let the guy dice or just autovoid it.

 

I personally believe that you wanting the money to be sent to an MM then you is selfish, and I think some other people would agree with me.

If the person you are betting against is using hacked paypals then you would rather have the MM take the hit and lose the money instead of you?

People shouldn't dice with who they don't trust, and there should be no grace period allowed. I can understand if the person is not online, but if they are online, and they clearly have seen that they loss and have chosen not to pay. They should be banned until they paid and return with a TWC - no exceptions.