Raising minimum wage -- $15/hr fast food emplyees

Easy?
You're autistic stupid if you think working back-to-back 18 hour shifts in a hotel preping 3 buffets everyday is "Easy" (referring to hotels, restaurants are jokes in comparison)

Yes I don't work.
(buffets)


(Weddings/banquets around the pool)


Only 55 hours a week whilst studying full time culinary school.

Regards,
A-Random-Chef that has been working for the last 5 years in a 5 star hotel.

 

I guess it depends what country you live in. A typically McD worker in my country gets 10 (u/15) to 22 dollars (u/18) an hour and up to 40-50 dollars at night hour.

McD is more expensive here than USA due to the fact that there are a lot of fees and laws that forbids McD to use the usually crap that they use.

The government decided to remove tax on fruit and green products, but the supermarkets lowered the price by just 0.20 cent, but they reports showed that the supermarkets just lowered the price a little and took rest of the rebate as profit. So it's most likely the companies greediness which are the problem.

We pay more for our products, therefore we need more money, just like a wage in China is lower, but the product prices are lower aswell (which we why we all love China and poor countries). Increasing minimal wage would just mean that everything would raise in price.

 

55 hours a week isnt that bad, i worked 90 hours a week for nearly 6 months and i had to quit because it was literally sucking the juice and killing me from the inside, thats 400 hours a month 4x what normal people work per month where i live

 

Salaries are based off of how many people can do that job. Anyone can set up some tables and lay out some food. Same with cooking a burger or starting up a fryer in the kitchen.

Should be getting paid like 8-9$. Not higher than that.

 

I doubt you ever even worked a decent job since you can't even do simple fucking maths.

the alleged "90 hours a week" would amount to 360 hours total a month, which is only 200 hours "over" the "full-time" amount of hours required excluding overtime.

and if you worked an office job meaning during the week, you state you where working 18 hours a day non stop.

 

Basic economics. Raise the minimum wage, inflation occurs. There's no point in getting paid more if the products you want to buy start to cost more. Also, by helping out 1 person you're also going to end up harming another because corporations have a certain profit margin they must reach and to do so they'll cut back hours or even fire other people.

 

I don't see why not, and if the consumer is the one who ends up paying for it so be it.

Perhaps raising the prices of fast food would be a good thing.

I can't imagine working in a kitchen for 12 hours with on-the-clock breaks, sweating my balls off and having conversations with people that only damages my brain.

People who do the minimum wage jobs are the ones who "really" work. Such as military, restaurant workers, garbage persons and so on. I'm not saying military is minimum wage but it wasn't far off when I was in phase 1 and phase 2 training.

Yet for where I am now, I get paid pretty healthily and most of my work is price work, so I can see a 200+ hour week working less than 6 hours a day and sometimes more. My job requires experience and training but so what, just because the end product is worth greater than a burger doesn't mean people who flip a burger should be struggling to make ends meet.

It's about time the less fortunate are treated a little more fairly, and I really doubt it would deter people who have higher aspirations from achieving their goals and being in the position they want, just because some people make mistakes in their youth doesn't mean they should earn next to nothing for the rest of their lives. At least they're working!

There are also other factors for inflation, as well as labor cost. Such as raw product and tax. Perhaps the tax should take a hit instead of the people.

 

So basically what you're saying is reward people for not going to college and having to take bad jobs? Why would you possibly want to do that. So new starting paramedics that save peoples lives don't have to deal with flipping burgers so obviously they should stay with their $9/hr. Engineers that studied with degrees and work on our highways aren't standing behind grills with dumb people so they should stay with their $15/hr. But God forbid someone has to stand behind a register and ask "Would you like fries with that?" for hours on end! How gruesome and terrible, completely not their fault for getting an education. We must praise them and pay them equal to or more than what people with college degrees get! Logical~~~

 

( I am not only targeting burger flippers, I'm saying nobody should be on such a low wage ).

Sometimes the logical way isn't the best way. I have this, this and this so I should get that isn't always the best policy.

Who's saying praise them? By no means, but should they have a little more money in their pockets damn right.

As I stated, that someone with the aspirations to get an education and achieve their goals wouldn't be deterred to limit themselves to a mind numbing, soul destroying job. They will aim for the job they want.

Here in the UK the minimum wage for an over 21 is £6.50 let's do some math on that basic income.

Most "Full-Timers" are paid 36.5hrs a week, but in most cases are at work 9 hours a day for that. ( subtracting breaks ).

36.5 x 6.20 = £237.25 net per week. And ~ £178 gross.

That's a walk-away of £711.75 per month ( based on a 4 week month ).

My rent alone is £650 pcm so how are these people supposed to have any sort of freedoms? They work incredibly hard and if you disagree then you've never been in that work environment. Yet, they're rewarded with having the live by extreme budgets in houses on council estates living on smart value food and even then, it will be a battle.

I base that every person working should be entitled to a little monetary freedom regardless of their education and position. You base that only the successful should be able to live free.

 

No, it seems to be you who cant do simple maths, its on average 13 hours a day, I worked as a plumber and it is a real skill and its not as simple as putting together two pieces of pipe you actually have to use your brain, its just like building a house, it has to be done properly or the house is gonna come down right well its the same thing with pipes and yes we do have a lot of calculations as in calculating the energy, water flow and such things. In general you have to be good with your hands and thats not for everybody especially in these days when no one is interested in going to a trade school and get a trade certificate

 

Raising minimum wage will do nothing besides destroy our economy even more, to put it in prospective you've heard of gas being 10 cents a gallon. Well that was when people got paid $0.75 an hour. Just because we raise what we get paid doesn't mean we'll be any better off.

 

You're talking about inflation. But there's more than the minimum wage that causes inflation.

To put it in perspective the average state fuel tax is 49.9c a gallon. Lower the fuel tax and or profits to match the labor cost of the minimum wage rise ( which would hardly affect fuel ) and bobs your uncle, no inflation.

 

I'll weigh in on this, and try to give an unbiased opinion.


I have had experiences in a regular crew position at a restaurant and have worked as a head manager at two separate Mcdonald's restaurants one making over 3M a year.

I currently am in the process of opening a Burger King where I will be acting as the Operations / Head manager.



The regular crew employees at fast food restaurants do the most physical work in the restaurant. It is a simple entry level position, but it requires more work than alot of other jobs available.There is a stigma obviously of these locations with people assuming that all they see in the restaurant is all that happens.

I also see alot of assumptions about "fast food places just hires any warm bodies because they serve shit food" or something along those lines. Having run a restaurant with (as some points) over 100 employees as a hiring and training manager, I can defiantly tell you this is not the case. I have fired many employees for a variety of reasons including Not being able to consistently meet our speed and quality goals for our customers, Dependability, insubordination and even a couple employees for something as insignificant as them constantly using their mobiles while on shift.

Now do I think quick service restaurant employees deserve to make 15$ an hour?

Every individual situation is different. The minimum wage where I'm currently living is 10.25 an hour.

Assuming all of my current full time employees at the Burger King I am opening get bumped up to 15$ an hour (at a full 160h month) I am now accounting for an extra $100,320 annually.

Assuming you're working in a a store that makes 2M/year. and also assuming that the store does not do well for profits (making a bottom line of 10%) that is literally HALF of your profits going to support the wages for your entry level employees.

The profit margin on restaurants are so tiny, it justifies them having to hire their entry level crew at such a low wage.


(hoping the math I did was correct or you guys will slam me)

 

That awful word profit creeps up yet again. As it does in nearly every case.

So let's just say that lower bracket store uses half of it's profits to pay for it's staff ( the heart and soul of the company ) ultimately as they're the people who cook the food and deal with the customer directly. They end up ( like virgin staff ) happier in their job, as they feel more included and valued for what they do. A result of that would be a better customer service as well as a happier atmosphere in the workplace. People would want to KEEP their job so would work harder to do so.

You as the store manager now work in a place where everyone in there is happy with their job and doing a good job. Where the atmosphere is great. I'd say you've struck gold. And fair enough, the profit for the store may not be AS high, but still profitable. And the higher managers are on a good enough salary already so they can take a hit on their bonus for the sake of the MANY employees that keep their stores rolling.

 

Paying more for a job does not equal harder working staff. I have never met a quick service entry level employee that value's their time like a millionaire would.

Restaurants are (just about) the worst business to get into, 60% fail within the first year, and 80% within 5 years.
refrence here
http://cqx.sagepub.com/content/46/3/304.abstract

This is why people go into franchisee's.

Now ontop of the money you have to put out to fund a restaurant you also have to pay things like:

Franchisee licence
Advertisment %'s
Royalty %'s

While in theory your Utopian world of paying these people 15$ an hour may seem like a good idea, it would not be logical.

 

Okay, but who would be affected by the decrease in profits?

After the license, Advertisements and Royalties and $15 an hour minimum would each store still be profitable?

If the answer is yes, then for it to not be logical it means that the profits going into few pockets is more logical than the profits diluted but shared into many pockets.

If the answer is no, then of course.

 

Yes the corporation would still be profitable, but it would be less profitable. Where i live minimum wage is $7.25/hr if that were bumped up to $15/hr it would cut their profit a very sizable amount to have to pay every worker double what they are getting at the moment.

why would mcdonalds pay $15 an hour when there are dozens of people who would be grateful to work for $7.25 an hour?

 

Plus the monetary example I gave you was just all of my current full time employees. But I'm going to take this conversation in another path.

My current owner/operator is in his 50's.

He has extensive business experience owning companies like oil rigs, bottled water plants ect. He now wants to calm down in life and own a restaurant.

I am in my early twenties. I have experience in running quick service restaurants for 4 years. I currently oversee all operations of the restaurant and when our restaurant does well I will move into a consultants position managing multiple restaurants.

By your standards are you saying that we should increase our entry level positions people's wages (schoolkids, people with no post secondary experience or little restaurant experience) by 50%? At the cost of our profits and my wages?

 

Well McDonald's wouldn't pay $15 an hour, because it would be less profitable and precisely because people WILL work for $7.75 an hour.

But, what should be in place is they are forced to pay $15 an hour.

You didn't really provide an argument so I'm struggling to fathom an answer.

Or are you saying that taking a reduction in profit to pay many of their employees more is barbaric?

The question I put to you was that at a minimum everyone would earn $15/hr, and whether or not the stores would remain profitable. And if the answer is yes, then this question doesn't really apply.

Also, I'm targeting people who're stuck in a cycle of having to work minimum wage jobs to support their families. Not students and a like. So let's say everyone over the age of 21.

 

Stores profitability depend on alot of factors but I can probably safely say that ANY restaurant making under 1M yearly would not make profit paying its employee's a minimum of 15$/h.

The thing people have to realize is that employers like Burger King, cannot simply rise its prices to pay it's entry level position people more money.