[BigBoiBets] Lying in High Pardon, Foul Play

I was going to post a response to the pardon, but there's just so much more that needs to be covered, I'm going to lay it all out in the open here and hear the community opinion about this. In case you don’t know, Dave said that BigBoiBets could pardon without repaying any of his numerous victims first.

Spoiler: LoLSmurfin’s Feedback

Spoiler: The Google Doc posted by Joopii, which contains a lot of evidence

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eTl2CqLkJzugwSelEmYOQC_Xb2A1Qmg7JecQ5a8cewk/edit?pli=1

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For those of you who don’t know, BigBoiBets (Also known as iZinc or Killian) committed the most profitable blackhat attacks in recent Sythe history ($100k+ profit/losses on each side) against Jon (Sythe Sportjon22), myself (Xier0) and numerous others, and is currently pardoning. He never admitted to his offences before evidence came out, made no attempt to contact his victims before attempting to pardon, has been caught lying in his pardon on almost every single word, and misled admins in order to try to avoid repaying his victims before being able to attempt a pardon. These offences include ddosing our servers and our site, and contacting the licensers of our poker software (the same one he uses),trying to social engineer the Briggsoft staff into revoking our license and banning us from using it in the future, along with attacking a half dozen of his other competitors. I’ll mention the offences against myself&Jon here, but you can read about his other attacks in the google doc above.

Obviously, these are strong accusations. Unlike Killian, I don’t make accusations without proof to back it up. This thread will extensively cover everything, and you can leave your comments about it here, since the staff is ignoring and deleting posts about it.

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Spoiler: Wrongful unban, staff negligence

iZinc posted a ban dispute in May for scamming Joopii out of his 30% share of BBB. At this point, iZinc still had not come forward admitting to his numerous blackhat offences that he built his business off of. When evidence finally came forth, he was told that he had to sort out his blackhat offences and would have to post a pardon instead of a dispute by Entrr

Instead of doing what the mod said, iZinc just decided to wait 2 months and try to post another dispute instead of a pardon. Due to negligence by the staff, they UNBANNED HIM WITHOUT EVEN READING HIS APPEAL OR KNOWING WHAT OFFENCE HE WAS BANNED FOR. I contacted the mod who unbanned him about the fact that iZinc had still not even attempted to contact his victims, and about how he has to post a pardon instead of a dispute. After this, BigBoiBets was rebanned, and he posted a pardon immediately after, while he had still not repaid his victims.

Spoiler: The Pardon/Clusterfuck

http://www.sythe.org/request-pardon/1738192-bigboibets-requesting-pardon-listed.html
The BigBoiBet’s pardon can be read in its entirety, minus the posts of mine that staff deleted here, for reasons unknown. I have not reported any of BigBoiBet’s posts where he wrongfully accuses me of basically everything with absolutely no evidence, but that will all be shown in the “Lies” spoiler below

Killian posted a pardon while still not paying back any of his victims. I posted the amount I saw as repayment on the dispute, and the reasons behind it, but it was DELETED by a staff member for reasons unknown without them responding to it. Another response I made concerning damages can be seen here:

I also posted about it briefly in a discussion in the SF here: http://www.sythe.org/13795846-post14.html

Spoiler: Evidence being ignored

In addition to the fact that iZinc was unbanned before via dispute without the staff even checking to see what he was banned for (blackhat, an undisputable offence that has to be pardoned), there is more evidence that is being contested for reasons that staff doesn’t seem to want to tell the victim of the offence why.

This screenshot (which isn’t crucial to the pardon, since he was already banned under other evidence) was discarded as evidence for reasons unknown (mind you, it doesn’t have to do with the Skype profile not being visible; it is well known that iZinc did this). When asked for the reason why this very damning piece of evidence isn’t being considered, I received no response, and iZinc’s pardon was allowed to continue without this extra evidence being considered.

Spoiler: iZinc’s numerous lies and false accusations without proof throughout his pardon (WARNING – PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR BROWSER IS EQUIPPED WITH TO PROCESS THIS MUCH BULLSHIT AT ONCE)

Barely a single word that iZinc has written in response to his pardon has been a lie or wild accusation against me of which he has no proof (which earns you an infraction here on Sythe.org). Let’s list them here shall we?

Spoiler: First lie: Dragon Dyce has slandered BigBoiBets at every opportunity on Sythe

Click on the google doc and go to the first thread he mentions here: http://www.sythe.org/spam-forum/1692501-so-happened.html
He claims I attacked him on the google doc. You want to know what I posted on this thread that apparently offended iZinc so much that he felt the need to say that I was “constantly berating him” on Sythe?

There it is. I’m such a cold-hearted bastard aren’t I? I said hello to a previous co-worker of mine, who worked at BigBoiBets at the time. Clearly berating him right?


Here’s the second thread: http://www.sythe.org/denied-suggestions/1691724-stop-letting-scammers-advertise-sythe.html

Read through it yourself and decide whether or not I was blatantly attacking BigBoibets here.

AFTER THIS IN THE GOOGLE DOC, HE LISTS OTHER SYTHE MEMBERS, WHETHER THEY ARE AFFILIATED WITH US OR NOT IS A ASSOCIATED AS A PERSONAL ATTACK ON HIS BUSINESS RIGHT??? THIS INCLUDES HEADS, LEANBEAN, CONNORP, AND MADTWATTER, WHO AT NO POINT HAVE EVER BEEN AFFILIATED WITH DRAGON DYCE TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

Spoiler: Second Lie: Sending advertisers/spammers to iZinc's site

There is no proof posted. Guess why. Because this never happened, we've never sent people to their website to advertise. Lie #2..

Spoiler: Third Lie: See first lie.

Spoiler: Fourth Lie: iZinc told admins that I was involved in blackhat attacks against his site, making the attacks he made against my server "Okay"

I have never, at any point, DDoSed anyone, and I do not own any blackhat tools. iZinc has no proof of this and KNOWS I didn't have anything to do with it, but accused me of it anyway to get away with not refunding his victims.

Spoiler: Fifth lie: iZinc has lied in practically every single post, saying that I am trying to do everything in my power to stall his pardon.

Once again, iZinc KNOWS that I am not doing this, because I told him that I had PM'd staff members on his behalf to get the issue sorted out.

Counter evidence here:





I tried at every opportunity to expedite iZinc's pardon (check the timestamps), even though he certainly didn't deserve that sort of effort from me.

Spoiler: Sixth lie: Accusing me of scamming people by any means possible

Accusing me of scamming with no proof? +1 infraction here as well. I've never scammed anyone, iZinc knows this because he's been trying (unsuccessfully) to find proof of me doing it. More evidence of him trying to accuse me of scamming here:

Spoiler: Seventh Lie: Accusing me of framing him

Counter evidence:

I mentioned specifically that the PM was sent around the same time as the DDoS attacks and deliberately included the date on the screenshot, yet iZinc goes on to LIE and say that I deliberately didn't mention that to make it seem like that was a recent PM, and trying to make it seem like he has changed over the last 10 months. His lies, obviously, show that if he has changed, he has only changed for the worse.

Spoiler: Remorse

Instead of paying back his victims, iZinc resorted to MISLEADING ADMINS to get them to decide that he didn't have to pay any money back to his victims, making a false claim against me that I was involved in blackhat activities against him to nullify the blackhat activities against me. He's spent the entirety of his pardon process trying to attack his victims even further instead of paying them back.

This is the PM that iZinc sent me around the time of the DDoS attacks, gloating.

 

I'm honestly disappointed to see this post from you. Not because of the feedback or because of the desire for community input but because of your opening statement where you claim that

It's funny because I spent hours speaking with you over teamspeak about how to go about handling this, I reversed the decision one you made your situation apparent and once I realized that everything had not been handled. I never once said that he could be unbanned without repaying people and more importantly resolving his conflicts with people. I gave you my opinion and happily awaited your asking other staff members for their opinion.

I'm actually disgusted with your saying that and I'm honestly shocked that you'd have the audacity to mock the way I handled this by throwing the claim that I said he could pardon without paying people back when you damn well know the amount of time I spent looking into various parts of this case as well as hearing various stories from various people and doing what seemed most fair.

Again, I don't really have much to say or argue about but again I'm seriously disappointed in you

 

This isn't a direct attack against you, I promise. I understand that the situation is incredibly complex, which is why I've tried my hardest to explain everything (mind you, these threads take a very long time to write, because I have to be tactful so that iZinc doesn't twist my words). It should have been incredibly clear to you that the situation was not resolved and victims (myself, least of all the half dozen other people he owes refunds to), have not been refunded. There is still evidence that still hasn't been considered, and FireZ's decision was made based on iZinc misleading the staff into thinking that I had anything to do with blackhat attacks against iZinc, which was shortsighted because there was no proof to back up the claim that I had anything to do with it.

I understand that you are disappointed with me, but I am disappointed with your decision to allow BigBoiBets to pardon when there has been no effort made by him in the slightest to refund a single penny to his numerous victims.

 

From the SF.

 

When you un banned him without either A. pardoning for and repaying back victims and B. Completely didnt even see that a gyazo of him saying ddoss dragondyce heres their ip.... You literally said 'Oh didnt even see that lol" then you re banned him. Dont take the thread out of context it isnt a attack at you or anyone else. You may not think its fair but it was your mistake its okay to own up to them. Community involvement isnt a bad thing here, Lets see what it has to say

 

That's the exact reason I'm upset with this thread. The instant Eric personally told me that I had fucked up and didn't even notice it, I legitimately posted publicly on his other BBB thread as well as told him + the other DDyce co-leader that I was sorry for missing it and re-banned him almost instantly.

I never based that unbanning off anything except for BBB vs Joopi drama, and when I found out other shit was involved I looked much deeper into everything. That's why I'm annoyed with this, because I have no issue owning up to my mistakes, I never have and have done it multiple times. My problem with this is that Eric is saying after the whole unbanning + rebanning, I allowed him to pardon right away without having to consult any of the issues that remained in that thread which not only isn't true, through Xier0's first hand involvement he knew it wasn't true. That's why this thread pissed me off

 

Also, Dave didn't unban him based solely on his own decision. He asked other staff, me included. Once other info was brought to light he was re-banned. I was never vested in the case, so had no idea if anything was missing. Not Daves fault, if you want to point fingers, should be at all staff, since 90% stated their opinion.

 

I didn't mention you by name on the mistaken unban, I know that that was a mistake and you corrected it quickly. The only place I mentioned your name is in the first paragraph of this thread, where I simply said that you were allowing BBB to pardon without repaying victims. If I'm wrong, you can further explain what this mean:

I don't mean to pin the mistaken unban on you as a personal attack, I only mentioned your name where you had posted that iZinc's 7 days had started, even though it's extremely obvious that the case is no where near resolved.

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I really don't want this whole thing to become about the mistaken unbanning, that was put to rest quickly. There is an issue still outstanding where the pardon is being allowed to continue even though victims were not repaid, and a crucial pardon decision was made with no evidence.

 

What "damages" did dragondyce suffer? From my understanding he just ddosed your poker server for a bit. I remember that your poker server had something ridiculous like 10% rake and only a handful of people online at a time. During the time that it was being ddosed what profit were you missing out on? The 10 bucks in rake that you missed out on?

It's a huge stretch to say you missed out on $100k because you were ddosed for a bit. Poker on dragondyce failed for other reasons.

That aside, I agree iZinc should be banned only because I did some coding for him a while back and the guys a complete psychopath. He screwed over myself and other devs but the disputes have mysteriously vanished.

 

That's just the thing. I understand that iZinc is trying to make the claim that Dragon Dyce and the numerous other businesses that he made illegal attacks against would have never flourished if he hadn't made all the DDoS attacks against them.

However, iZinc was inquiring about Dragon Dyce poker when we were doing giveaways on pokerstars prior to him making his site, and he was a rank at Dragon Dyce for ~1 year+ before he was fired. He clearly knew from his firsthand past experience as a DD rank that Dragon Dyce would be successful competition, which is why he tried on multiple occasions over multiple months to shut us down through SE and blackhat. If iZinc knew that he could make his business successful and that other competition would fail, he wouldn't have bothered going through the effort over a series of multiple months to shut down his competitors through illegal means.

 

correct me if im wrong but firez ruled that no damages were to be repaid

 

I really don't believe Killian should be allowed to pardon for several reasons

-He ddosed and ensured ALL of his competitors would have nonfunctioning poker clients, not just DD's
-He's apparently scammed Joopi for tens of thousands of dollars. While I don't know the inner details of what actually went down, I still feel a more thorough investigation into the accused scam should go down (apologies if that already happened)
-No restitution has been paid at all. If posting nude photos can lead to $150 being paid, how can Killian's actions not lead to restitution?
-Pardoners are meant to show remorse for their past wrongdoings. I honestly don't feel that Killian is remorseful for what he did, after all, it earned him 100k+. If he were actually remorseful, he'd be more willing to pay back victims.
-To be pardoned, staff should feel confident that the pardoner won't do the wrongdoings again. I'm not sure anyone can say that they're 100% certain that Killian won't do the same things over again if the prize seems worth it to him based off his behavior these past few years.

Of course, I'm not a staff member so none of this is really my business, but I still feel strongly that his pardon ability should be reconsidered until certain conditions are met.

 

See lie #4 in the OP, he lied to admins to make them believe that I was involved in blackhat activities against him, which led to that ruling. My post on the pardon that pointed that out was deleted for reasons unknown.

 

This thread should be closed because this site does not allow members to openly vote on whether or not a member should be allowed back. This poll can and will influence the decisions of staff members. Either close the thread or remove the poll.

 

My mistake. If this is the case, can a moderator remove this poll?

 

So your saying multiple Mods looked at it and came up with majority reason to un ban him. Not only that but all of you looked at the thread and didnt realize the gyazo of him saying ddoss dragondyce heres their ip. Thats not a mistake sellerman thats fucking retarded. Shame on ALL parties involved.

ok

 

Bumping, why isn't anything being done about this?

 

X can you answer this? I'm just curious as to how you came up with this figure.

 

Let the moderators moderate guy. This vote is to gauge public opinion, its not as though we can ban that shady fuck ourselves. This whole thread could influence staffs decision, im fact im pretty sure thats the point.

Back OT, I can't fathom someone with such shady business practices is even being considered to be pardoned. I mean theres an open scam report on him right now.

smfh

 

I already responded to win4fun's post, but I'll elaborate some more.

-iZinc knows from firsthand experience as a Dragon Dyce rank for 1 year+ that DD would be successful competition
-iZinc joined our site and posted a thread inquiring about poker games that we were running back in June 2013, before he had even launched BBB.
-Within the first 12 hours of us launching the Dragon Dyce poker, we had generated over $500 in profit, and we were gaining momentum prior to the DDoS attacks
-Dragon Dyce & BBB generate hundreds of thousands of dollars in bet volume weekly
-iZinc used blackhat means for the better part of 1 year to attack his competition from the day he launched his business until his split with Joopii. He clearly knew how effective it was, and weighed the risks and rewards of getting caught.

Is there any way to know for certain, to the absolute penny, how much that iZinc profited from using illegal means to take down a half dozen of his competitors? No, which is why I'm not arguing over whether it was $80k or $100k, there's no way in hell that iZinc can ever repay the damage done, so I'm only asking for a petty amount compared to the damage that he has done.

According to Richard:

Since there's no way that iZinc could begin to undo the damage he's done to our poker project, I offered that iZinc could simply pay the development cost of our new project for killing our last one. I feel that, by Richard's standards, this is the closest thing to restitution that I can offer to iZinc.