Principle Outstanding Questions Concerning Leanbean901

Nothing in the rule suggests that a PM is required before each trade. It simply states that a pm is required, period.

 

Only problem is it is illogical to use a PM from a month ago

 

Who would set the time limit on such things? Would a PM from 3 days ago be illogical to use as well? Matter of fact, a lot can happen in an hour. So a pm from an hour ago is also illogical to use?

Even if it's illogical, the rules are clear. *shrug*

 

Why would it take you three days, let alone an hour to conduct such a trade.

If it was over the period of an hour, sure that warrants some merit to the user in question getting scammed. But it was a PM from a MONTH ago. Why this debate about the PM is still going on is downright embarrassing.

Honest Iago's bad trading habits are what caused this entire situation to happen. The entire forum is littered with "Dont trade without a PM" not only that, most PM's are verified by screenshots of text or recent conversation to validate the fact the person you are talking to is actually who is pming you

If that is by all accounts ignored then it should be common sense that a skype account has the ability to be hacked within A MONTHS TIME


But to quote Voltaire;

 

Do you really use a single PM for your entire trading history with someone?

 

Actually, the rules aren't clear. Everyone is questioning what a reasonable time frame is for PM verification. The fact of the matter is the rule should be changed to reflect the current issues. PMs should be sent before EVERY trade, to verify both the value of the trade and the identity of the traders. Time limits should not be in the discussion, in my opinion.

 

It took an hour for the hacker to scam honest. *Shrugs*

I've been in trades that took 2 hours to complete.

 

Are you not in constant communication during the trade? You would notice if something happened mid trade. Someone would have to log off or something for another to take it over.

As for a reasonable amount of time, as with real law, it'd be a case by case decision just like with every other rule. At this point arguments in this thread have become contrarian. It is useless to argue for the sake of arguing and rehash points that have been covered and supported numerous times.

 

Alright, I may have missed that part of the report.
It still does not justify using a month old PM

Was it moneypack redemption?

 

It was skrillex and paypal related. The trader had to fix some issues. Is it not believable that trades can be delayed for whatever the reason may be?

 

That is not the issue at hand.

The issue (which Roary and FireZ have already stated their opinions on) is that the user in question cannot use a month old PM to verify he was talking to Leanbean a month later.

There are two obvious outcomes to this.

a) You cannot logically use a month old PM to verify you are currently talking to the same person

b) You can use a month old PM to verify you are currently talking to the same person.


In situation A, Leanbean is held responsible.

In situation B, Leanbean is not held responsible and the process of upper management takes over to investigate the possibility of a faked Skype hack.

Either way, the rule should be amended so people who don't know who to trade properly could try to weasel their way out of being out their own money vrs 2 minutes of their time asking for a PM.

 

You all have insanity. Saying the same things expecting to get a different result. I think I'm legit retarded for answering the same questions over and over. Read this thread, the other thread in feedback and in suggestions so you don't have to keep repeating yourself like a muppet. I'm going to stop replying because I'm legit post farming trying to get you people to understand common sense. FireZ, please stop over exaggerating every other situation, it does nothing. I expected a certain outcome from the beginning of all this, if my streak continues I should be right. Have a good day guys.

Shout out to the people who make this drama possible, it was fun.

 

Fortunately, this isn't a courtroom, and we Richard will opt to use common sense. Absolutely EVERYONE knows what "request a pm" means, it is a way to prevent getting scammed by a skype hacker. He didn't request a pm in such a way that it protected him from a skype hacker. Leanbean either scammed the guy or he didn't, poor choice of words in rules shouldn't preside over common sense, that's why we have staff - to interpret the rules.

 

I come back from a lovely break to find out this happened. Why does this not surprise me one bit. It doesn't take a rocket scientist by now to realize both leanbean and roary are dishonest and corrupt. I called this shit MONTHS ago and will keep doing so until resignations/demotions are in place.

Conflict of interest: Why did Roary handle this report? It's equivalent to a judge whose son was involved in a crime handling the case/ ultimately deciding the verdict. It is no secret they are best buds. Leanbean is/was Roary's only business partner on Sythe. They hang out together on Skype chat 24/7 (with other undesirables e.g - johng). The only reason why leanbean was promoted in the first place was because of his relationship with an admin. But that wasn't enough. He was then promoted to global status after what... 2 weeks as serving as a sectional?

Rules apparently don't apply to staff: I agree with what was said earlier. If it had been anyone else in leanbean's shoes they would have been immediately banned until a thorough investigation was completed. Just because one person checked the transaction history of one paypal account doesn't mean shit and is irrelevant. What's next? Is Roary going to use his mom as an alibi saying that her son was with her folding laundry the entire day this happened?

Fabricating rules: Yet another instance of mods taking advantage of the loopholes in the rules and interpreting when they see fit. Just like how a couple months ago I was banned by the same people involved in this incident for - and I quote - "emotionally harming a user". It's no different in this case. Just because there is nothing in the rules that specially state how long a PM is valid for, leanbean (and I presume he has someone else working with him) gets away scott free.

I could go on and on but it's pointless. The situation involving Leanbean is sketchy as fuck to say the least, as there are WAY too many coincidences. Such as waiting until AFTER someone came forth with a report saying they were scammed $2,000 and THEN announcing that his Skype had been hacked - really???????? I can understand him not being banned because of his connections with staff, but the least someone can do is slap him with a TWC until this is thoroughly resolved.




The only way I (as well as others I'm sure) would be satisfied is to have Richard look into this and give his final say on the matter. Leanbean, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

 

You requested a lift on your SRB just to come stir up trouble.

I wasn't promoted to sectional by Roary, I wasn't promoted to global by Roary, it wasn't after two weeks I was a sectional for about 4 months before being promoted to global. JohnG isn't in the sythe chat and hasn't been for about 6 months, Roary hasn't been in the chat for about 4 months either. I also have a strong dislike for JohnG so get your facts straight before trying to call someone out.

Are you still trying to lie about why you were banned? You were banned for defacing another users personal photograph, not for causing emotional harm to him. When I said the intent was to cause him emotional harm that wasn't your reason for being banned. Again you were banned by Drento who is neither I or Roary.

As I said above get your facts straight before calling someone out.

I'm ashamed of nothing as I've done nothing to be ashamed of. Keep trying to twist the situation like you have done with everything else during your time here on sythe.

 

If by your interpretation me requesting a lift on my SRB to expose the truth about your shady ass is because I'm trying to stir up trouble, then you're absolutely right. If I really wanted to "stir up trouble" I could get you banned in a minute.

Yes you were. Yes you were. Oh shit, I was a couple months off.

I'd like to see proof of this. Oh wait - that isn't possible now. How convenient for you.

You and your cronies might be able to lie to 98% of users on this site who are either mindless sheep or kiss-ass mod wannabes, but don't you think for a second you can fool me. How would you like to refute this:

How about you get your facts straight and stop fucking lying for once.

Oh believe me, the facts are there in plain sight, sitting right in front of your face. You just can't see it or choose not to because you. Take that invisible veil of corruption off your head and you just might be able to see it.

Quoted so I can use this as reference if/when you choose to pardon ever.

 

Again trying to twist things. If you check the post below which is the direct quote from above you'll see that Josh0 said your intent was nothing criminal, I was countering his statement by stating your intent was to cause him emotional harm. We both know that was your intention. You're now just trying to bring things into this discussion that have nothing to do with the situation at hand.

http://www.sythe.org/13619058-post4.html

 

Whether it was my intention or not, how does allegedly causing emotional harm to a user by CROPPING, not defacing (learn the difference between the two) a user's picture when he was the one instigating shit in the first place warrant a 1 month ban? Since you like linking shit, link me to where in the rules it gives you the authority to do this. This has absolutely everything to do with this current situation and I specifically stated why earlier in this thread.

 

It states in the rules that defacing an image is a one month ban. Some people may agree or disagree that cropping the face of someones picture is defacing the image. This has nothing to do with this thread and any more attempts to stir up trouble i'll just forum ban you from the feedback section because it's clear at this point that's the only reason you are here.

 

Is that a threat? I would simply just appeal the ban and have someone other than your soulmate Roary lift that shit faster than you can say "I was hacked!". Although you clearly have powerful connections, this isn't your site; you're not the owner. Don't think you can go around doing anything you want. A certain ex-admin tried to pull the same exact shit you're pulling and look where that got him.