Report Taylor-- For Knowingly Selling Stolen Goods

User Profile: http://www.sythe.org/members/317560-taylor-.html

Vouches involved with infraction:
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The reason that I am filing this report against Taylor-- is because he sold stolen goods which belonged to me, to the user “Bert”.


Around June 24/ 2014 A friend of mine messaged me asking what happened with my username “Go”. I told him that I had sold it to a close friend of mine on sythe.org, and someone stole it during the transfer. He told me that this user “Taylor—“ on Sythe.org was selling it, so I figured I would go and ask Taylor how he got his hands on my stolen display name.



As seen in the picture, Taylor admits that there is some “Controversy” surrounding the fact that the display name was stolen from me.
After some more conversation with Taylor, he filled me in on the information that I had asked him:


He outlined that the name was obtained by him on June 11, and he bought it from a good friend of his named “Carl” who does not use Sythe.org. His story quickly switched from him being the original owner, to “owning the account that it was transferred to” which was created by "Carl". I asked Taylor-- for some ownership proofs because I was going to confront my friend about purchasing this back and splitting costs, as I know he really wanted this username still.



This conversation log shows the date around when Matt and I attempted to transfer “Go”, and failed. Only a day or so after the transfer Taylor—claimed to own the username.



After even more conversation with Taylor-- he described to me how their automated procedure worked. It scans through a list of usernames, and registers them as soon as they become available. He claims that there was some sort of “divine intervention” (lol) in the timing and that is how the username was stolen from me by his automated program. Through this conversation log, Taylor admits to his partnership with his good friend Carl, who is an unknown user to me and to the rest of Sythe.org. Taylor claimed that he was the original owner of the account originally, in which he was NOT.

Matt was outraged by the idea of purchasing the account name again especially from the person who stole it from him, even though I was genuinely interested in helping him get it back.


Around 2 weeks later down the road, Taylor was still actively marketing and trying to sell the stolen goods which belonged to me/matt.
“Time To Buy” sent me a skype message with his concern about the rumour surrounding the goods that may have been stolen, because he was contacted to middle man the trade for the supposed stolen goods in exchange for 750M rsgp.



As noticed by the posted vouches, the trade involved my stolen goods was complete. I want to thank Time to Buy for responsibly going out of his way for the best interest and success of the trade that he was responsible for.


In my eyes Taylor-- should owe me 750M eoc gp or the display name “Go” so that I can return that to Matt. He profited off of goods that were knowingly stolen from me, and still continued to actively try and sell them without trying to issue a resolution of any sort with the person that the goods were stolen from. His lack of professionalism, misunderstanding of market morals, and mischievous behaviors should deem him at least a TWC. I would love the opportunity to be able to refund Matt with the display name “Go”, but that does not seem possible anymore. Matt will likely be satisfied to receive the sum of GP, which only serves as a portion of what he paid to me.

- Aaron

 

I don't see this as much different than the case that Taylor-- presented against you except he knowingly sold the name even after he knew it was yours. Considering you are refunding for the accidental ruining of his trades this should come to a similar resolution. Just my thoughts.

 

As written by Taylor.

 

I just want to outline a few key behaviours and points:

- Taylor sniped the username "Go" from me (possibly not knowing it belonged to me originally)

- When Taylor offered this username for sale he advertised it stating that he is the "original owner", when in fact he knows he is not. This is a devious tactic used to increase buyers confidence by convincing them that the goods are more secure than they actually appear.

- After he acknowledged that it was stolen from me, he made no effort to return the stolen goods.

- Taylor still continued to sell the goods even after acknowledging they were stolen.

- His lack of input and response to this scam report (After over 24 hours of being posting and him viewing and reading it already while he continues to bump is market threads) proves that he is unable to take responsibility for his own wrong-doing and/or does not care about the well being of other users and trades that take place on the site.

Proven by his ignorance of the rules, and lack of care for the success of other market operations; Taylor is a loose cannon and doesn't show a positive sense of direction whatsoever. Many users have been permanently banned for selling stolen goods in the past, and this case seems no different than other offenders.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the only fair resolution options in this situation would be:

1. Taylor refunds me 750M rsgp.

OR

2. Taylor reverses the trade with Bert and returns the display name "Go" to me.

I have made Matt aware that this report is in ongoing investigation and he is aware that any goods returned to me will immediately be delivered to him as a partial refund for Taylor stealing the display name "Go" and interfering with our trade.

I want to quote a section of the rules just so that Taylor has a better understanding of what is being outlined here:

 

Bump.

 

Bump.

 

to be merged with this thread: http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1733300-report-taylor-knowingly-selling-stolen-goods.html

It's about time that we get this ball rolling. You've mentioned a lot unnecessary points here which I will address considering that you'd taken the time to bring them up anyways. Lets begin.

When this happened last month, I had ALOT on my plate. I've been working 50-60 hours a week overnight, a family tragedy occurred, and all of my accounts were hacked into. I had planned to address this issue here on the forums as soon as I could, I just had other things that were dealt with first in priority sequence. I want to prove to you that I'm not making this claim up by showing you this:



Obviously after you reported me for committing the exact same offense that you're guilty of, I felt the urgency to post the report that was already ready to submit about you anyways. I did in fact intend to post this before the process of 25 days was complete - however to this date it still has not been 25 days.

Who are you to tell me when the time to contest is? Since the day I found out you owned this name I've had utmost interest into getting to the bottom of it. Unfortunately other situations come into interference and delayed my process.

About 3 weeks later, not 1+ months.

The History of "Go"

Mid 2011- Originally owned and created by my good friend Joseph
2012- Owned and treasured by joseph
Jan 2013 - The account was gifted to me from Joseph, along with another group of accounts. We were good friends and he didnt play anymore. He asked for portions of the profit. The accounts were sold on Playerauctions with warranties that were renewable for 1 year+.
March 2013 - Sold to my good loyal customer Matt
April 2013 - Attempted transfer by myself and Matt. (Failed)
April 2013 - Name was reversed back onto the original account (for reasons unknown - probably due to macro detection in the account that owned it at the time).
May 2013-May2014 - ACCOUNT LOCKED
May 2014 - Joseph unlocked the account for Matt and I.
May 2014 - Name changed to be xferred again
June 2014 - Name sniped and acquired by Taylor--
And here we are now.

You may be right. Obviously the transfer was failed. But does my "mistake" grant you the right to sell the stolen goods?

CLEARLY...

The proof is shown and the theft of this display name ruined my trade with Matt. How is this any different than other situations?

Don't believe what was a mistake? Didn't you just accuse me of making a mistake?

Regardless of what you think the odds are, it stole my display name - and there is proof of that.

I experienced this first hand and your program was able to instantly steal my display name even during a game update. There was no more than a 1-2 second time frame for it to be available.

That's one thing that you're correct about.

I asked you what his Sythe account was, you explained that he didn't have one. I had every right to believe he was anonymous.

There was no reason to, the stolen goods were already in your possession.

This isn't the accusation here. The problem is that you KNEW that this display name was stolen, and you still continued to sell it after knowing that it was stolen from me.

False, I was coincidentally going to report this right around the time that you filed a report against me. This isn't important information anyways.

TLDR; The goods you sold to Bert were stolen, you knew they were stolen, and you still sold them for 750M eoc gp. This is against the rules and for some reason you cannot own up to your actions. When the situation about "Clay", "Amp", and "Gong" was brought to light I did everything in my power to refund the victims as quickly as possible because of the accidental ruining of their trades.

 

http://www.sythe.org/report-spammer/1735241-reported-post-folt.html

 

http://www.sythe.org/report-spammer/1733338-scam-report-reported-post-taylor.html

 

Taylor Said

My ownership story is completely true. It was handed down to me from a friend - and I've got no idea what was done with it before hand. As I mentioned to Xier0, once we can line up some historical references as to what happened with the display name before I owned it I would be more than happy to issue some refunds for what happened. I'd be glad to do justice where it's dealt even though I had no idea about what happened before I owned it. Had I known that the display name was scammed or stolen I would not have dealt with it or even accepted to take it from Joseph.

You've literally taken Xier0's report and used it to your defense for knowingly selling stolen goods, and pretending that you took it as a form of anti-scamming for the original owner. If that was your true motive then why didn't you attempt to return it to the original owner who lost it? Your motives are so unparalleled and you've completely changed up your story in an effort to prove your innocence.

What else would be a fair resolution? Staff input maybe?

This is also starting to get extremely convoluted and blown out of proportion from what the report was originally about.

If historical references and timelines were stretched out for every username that was sold on the market there would be issued refunds and bans left-right- and center.

 

Based off the way the other report was handled, "Go" should be refunded to the first guy who purchased it. It's that simple.

And Taylor, I'm giving you the same exact warning folt got.

Sythe's policy has always been that sniping a name off a Sythe user/sale is what is against the rules. It's not allowed and will result in a ban so long as it's knowingly done. In situations like this where it's accidental and then the users are refunded, normally I'd just place a TWC and call it a day. Folt is waiting on refunding the last guy so he's taken every necessary step to handling this situation.

I have let Folt know, and this will be the same for you -

If from this point on, I see a report of you KNOWINGLY sniping a Sythe-related name, that is a name owned by a Sythe user/being sold by a Sythe user, then it will result in a perm ban. No more reports on old bullshit, you're both being given a strong and final warning.

Taylor, get on refunding Go to the original owner ASAP. If I see you trying to sell it, it'll be a ban.

How are you going to go about getting the user "Go" refunded?

 

After reading a bit more into the OP, this is what I've decided.

The guy who bought the name off Folt (who's profile I still have to get) tried buying the name for $230.

Taylor sold "go" after it was stolen for 750M Rs3, which goes for about $265 to merchants, so if Taylor sold it on his own, he got morel ike $280-$300.

$230 of this MUST be returned to the guy who's profile I haven't received yet. His name is Matt, his profile will be given to you shortly. Taylor, I suggest you message folt to get his Skype. Or you can PM me for it.

 

Still awaiting a refund from Taylor , its been around 24 hours and he's been resuming regular operations and activity on site. Shouldn't this be priority #1. I spoke with matt last night. He's been updated with the current status of the report and his skype was forwarded to Dave.

 

I asked Taylor to contact you to get the contact info from you. I'd say you should send him the info on Skype

 

I've sent him the instructions, hoping to have this resolved within 24 hours.

 

http://www.sythe.org/report-spammer/1736987-reported-post-taylor.html

He's requesting an admin's second opinion. So now we wait

 

How long does this usually take?

I'm worried that the refund will not be issued anymore due to the other acquisitions made against him on the forums recently.

http://www.sythe.org/name-sales/1738953-who-here-sniped-rsn-february-child.html

Is there any way to attempt to resolve this sooner? (14 days since OP)

 

Bump.

 

Seeing nothing wrong with this. Even after taylor still profited $70 regardless

 

Pming Taylor for an update