Free Unbanning Services

That wasn't my attitude at all. It was a fact that everyone is aware of. I didn't mean to say it can't be changed. I'm probably the last person to have that kind of attitude.

 

Sums up what I think

 

Is there any reason why not? A free service like this has ZERO risk therfore there being NO chance anyone can be scammed.

If this can in no way harm the users of sythe, why not allow it?

 

The only scenario I can think of in which they MIGHT be reasonable is if they:
-are free AND
-require no email/account information access.

I honestly don't see why someone else's chances at appealing are going to be better than your own. If they have some sort of supreme unbanning knowledge, they can offer it for free to help people.


I think (speculate) that this was enacted in part because the only unbanning service provider (Sephirofl) was pretty sketchy. His thread had something like 500 customers with over 75% of them unbanned... yet he only had five vouches on Sythe for it and required payment upfront. I think of it as armor trimming with a 1% success rate; there's just too much room for scamming.

 

I think those are reasonable requirements.

 

Scam artists like Sephirofl should be banned. I offered him a lot of money if he will unban an account (but he had it to give it a try first). And then he started some bs, how his time is valuable, how he has a lot of clients etc. If his services would be that great, he would accept offers like that (or at least give it a try, see if he would be able to manage it and not ask for money straight away).

Free unbanning services are okay, as long as a member proves that he was successful in unbanning multiple accounts.

When it comes to paid unbanning service. A member should unban the accounts for free for quite a while. Firstly unban a couple billions in banned gold. And then I see no reason why such a member could not offer his services. But the chance of someone being that good is low.

 

i don't see the harm in this, i support

 

Sorry for my attitude these past few days. I've been smoking so much shit.

The only information I request is the date of the ban, and the reason. Their email and account information would be useless in the way I describe how the process would work. I am accepting no money, even tips. I don't see the service being active as everyone else assumes.

 

Yeah so like... Bump?

 

Bump.

 

I would support for it to be posted as a free service BUT I DON'T agree that people can vouch for it. Because when appealing bans it's mostly luck. And simply getting lucky shouldn't be enough to get a vouch

 

I actually wasn't thinking about it. Why should it not be appropriate for people to vouch for a service?

 

They can vouch for a service, but not for an unban.
Tell me what "trust" is shown giving somebody a pre-written email to send.

The unban services like sefiroph (or what his name was), was that he will give you a letter that you email to the game owners (eg jagex).

Going on ones account and training without hacking/cleaning shows trust
Selling membership shows trust
getting a firecape on someone's account, shows trust

Giving somebody pre-written text to email themselves and hope for an unban?
No trust is given/shown.

 

You should look up the definition of vouch.

 

If it's free i don't see how it creates any conflict.

The main reason the selling of unban services was out ruled in my opinion is because he was SELLING a product/service that is not guaranteed which is akin to scamming.

If you're offering it for free and taking time out of your day to create "letters" or what have you, then you should be able to.

Not that it'll help anyway.... As far as i know Jagex isn't even reading appeals anymore.

 

I'm sure it's already a rule that vouches aren't allowed for free services or even in the graphics market place, if it's not then it should be. Vouches should be made when risk is involved, there's no risk for the buyer because he's not trusting you with cash nor receiving any "real" merchandise back from you.

 

Vouches aren't allowed for graphics (recommendations are), but they are most defiantly allowed for free services, though the people who offer the service can't require the vouch.

 

Vouches for free services are allowed. Take a look at free skilling services in the runescape market.

Vouches are recommendations. If someone leaves you a vouch for whatever it is you're doing, they are recommending you for the next person. It should not matter if there is no risk involved, because the vouch tells others about the success of your service, not your level of trust.

 

Bump. Staff should really consider, given the circumstances.

 

You're utterly wrong.A vouch (on a forum) is simply a post showing verification of a certain transaction. It's not a "Recommendation", please know the definition yourself before trying to state that someone should look up the definition.

There is an obvious correlation between vouches and trust, the more vouches (/verified successful transactions) made means that the user is more trusted than others.

Now on runescape/alltherest a vouch (/verified successful transactions) will require a bit of trust from both sides because either one has to go first or the other.

Explain what trust is shown/displayed or what "risks" where there by simply sending a copy/pasted pre-written email with the *hopes* of getting unbanned, without any proof or verification that it will work?

Requesting a decent reply, not a shitty failed excuse.