Make luring a perm ban offense

So if I told him I'd 1v1 him then took him to multi and he got hatefucked, I should be banned?

That's deception as well, deception is built into the game. Would I get banned for backstabbing a clan-member when we're in deep wildy? There are literally thousands of scenarios that require deception in Runescape, and Roary's idea that doing those is the "mind of a scammer" is moronic.

 

Strongly agree with what Syed said.

The same was brought up with people selling staking bugs/glitches, it's essentially luring to an extent as you'd be luring an innocent staker to stake you, them being unaware of the glitch you posses.

We should stay out of ingame things as Syed said. It is indeed a game mechanic and part of the game. We'd be essentially punishing people for what Jagex do not.

No support. Strongly disagree.

 

In the context of luring on a marketing site it is. When you are being lured on this site, it is for personal gain money wise. I do not see how deception has to do with the games mechanic. That is like me luring someone in real life to scam his money and using a specific area to do the scam. Would that fall under me using the mechanics of the area I am in?

It does not erase the matter of them scamming. They are using the games surroundings to do so as would one do in real life. I agree with roary saying if you could lure someone, steal their belongings and feel no remorse, what stops them from really scamming?

Many lurers are known for scamming as well as they are both in the same.

It wouldn't be hard to prove someone lured you.

 

Glitching is not luring at all. You aren't deceiving anyone. That is using the games mechanics to your advantage.

These are not one in the same.

For luring there is thought procedure on how you would steal from someone. Glitching someone in a stake is not scamming. Is it fair? No. Is it stealing? No.

Edit:

Glitching falls under cheating as you are essentially cheating the games system mechanics. Most of the time you are given a significant advantage against others may it be pking or staking. You can still lose in these situations using glitches. This site supports cheating so it would be silly to use glitches as an example.

 

Luring these days is far more sophisticated than a clan sneaking up on a 1v1.

 

If luring outside Sythe becomes an offense, this should be taken away

http://www.sythe.org/runescape-2007-general/1625403-only-find-luring-partner-here.html

 

luring is a form of scamming----------------end of story

no shit sherlock

 

So essentially if someone was to jojo3000 lure, that would be ban-able?

 

If we just ceased to encourage the discussion/threads about luring we'd literally never hear anything about it again. The issue isn't even reports or scams being brought to our attention, I just don't think the Sythe name and it's members should be associated with any kind of scamming.

 

They have said in the past that it is a game mechanic and perfectly allowable. Luring is an in game dispute and Sythe wasn't going to have anything to do with those. That's the only way to make it so that Sythe isn't banning everyone left and right for stuff that they do away from here.

 

always found it strange luring was allowed here. it's on par with scamming and it is done by socially engineering someone into loosing their items for personal gain. it most of all highlights the persons characteristics in that they're willing to swindle someone, so could be seen as almost a stepping stone to outright scamming

support

 

Changing cash stack in trade at last second is also a game mechanic.

 

Taking somebodies property without their consent or their will to gamble it is stealing, there's no other way to look at it. Whether its a "game mechanic" it not makes no difference.

 

no support

i think luring is all on your end, remember, don't trust anyone even your valuables in game. luring is a game of social engineering and baiting you into thinking you're legit when you're not.

 

No

I'm just suggesting that we make it infractable to discuss luring here in general. While obviously that really IS an intended part of the game most lures are not. Its usually "I'll show you a glitch" or "I'll help you out and give you something" or "I promise you can trust me" or "help me out?" and then the other person steals your items. Its being deceiving them and taking their items, which is scamming.

Who cares if its possible to do in the game? Its still fucking theft, how can anyone even argue that it isn't. You're stealing someones things. If you do it in a trade on sythe, or if you do it in game either way they're getting fucked for their items.

Obviously pk'ing and running into a multi combat zone isn't the type of "lure" being discussed. Do you really think the luring guides being sold here are looking to accomplish that? pfft

Also stop parroting the thing that everyone says about Jagex being totally okay with it. They've said in the past that they aren't, they've banned lurers when they've seen it, and they've even edited their rules to be more specific.

I agree

'Only way'? just make it infractable to discuss, we simply don't need that here.

You realize it doesn't really matter where the scam occurs right? Whether you scam on powerbot or on hackforums or here, its still scamming people. I'm not saying we should necessarily ban people for luring right now, but saying "for stuff they do away from here" is silly.

Also stop parroting the thing that everyone says about Jagex being totally okay with it. They've said in the past that they aren't, they've banned lurers when they've seen it, and they've even edited their rules to be more specific.

^

Wow..

"No support for banning people from scamming. I think its all on the users end, remember, don't trust anyone with your money. Scamming is a game of social engineering and baiting you into thinking you're legit when you're not."

 

I support but can definitely foresee issues with how cases would be handled. While the thought of it sounds good, I think the execution of it wouldn't be handled properly. I also agree that luring is social engineering.

As per the rules already in place:

"Blackhat"/Malicious Activities: Using software tools for deceptive, malicious, or harmful intent (Hacking/DDoSing/Social Engineering). Punishment for these offences will be dealt with on case-by-case basis, but will most likely result in a permanent ban.

 

The person essentially gives consent by bringing their items with them, setting them self up for losing the items on their own will. It's not like lurers hack into the accounts and steal the items that way.. the lurers achieve the items using a game mechanic..

 

I don't believe Sythe.org should have a say in luring unless it is done through Sythe.org. If someone does it in-game without any knowledge of Sythe, then it's their fault, not ours.

 

It isn't our "fault" but that doesn't mean that we have to accept it. If someone scams on powerbot it isn't our fault either, but it still isn't allowed.

Personally I think that all that needs to be done is an infraction for discussing it here.

 

This is all done through deception. It's all an act to steal their items, which is scamming.

Look guys, we are going nowhere with this. It's back and forth arguments about ethics. I tried my best to provide factual evidence that shows these two things are the same.

I just want to know if a ruling will be added.