Ned Aka Just "#1 Name Seller"

Excuse me Im having a dispute between someone I bought the name "reef" off of. I paid 250m for the name and the name was recovered, or Jagex released the name, and it was sniped by Aaron off of Powerbot. In this persons terms of service he states
"There are no refunds, unless something goes wrong-"
But he refuses to refund me or supply me with a name of equal value

The name is now in possession of someone else, and he refuses to refund.

Under his terms of service, he states that he will refund.

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He states that "it's out of his reach" but his tos clearly states if something goes wrong he will refund, which he has yet to do. He dragged a mod by the name of Ryan into this, just so he didnt have to refund the money.

Quoted Straight from Just's reply to this thread: "Then he brings up my TOS "There are no refunds unless something goes wrong" But the second to last line of my TOS says "You take full responsibility of the account after the name has been traded"

But according to him from the image above. His "TOS dont apply in this case" If they don't apply why use that as leverage?

Edit 1: Had "equal or less value" * Any names could be supplied in exchange
Edit 2: Added an extra screenshot, the last one in the list.
Edit 3: Fixed an Image because the image showed his list of names, I appologize for that.

 

Hey guys well, today I woke up to Jesuittiger619 (Ryan) saying that his name was taken. And at first I thought he was trying to play me as a sucker and take the name and the RSGP. So we talked then he said that he talked to Aaron (Folt) and said that Aaron had 7 of my names. So I quickly rushed onto Runescape to see if it was true and it was some of the names that I once owned Folt took. So now Ryan is trying to blame what jagex (releasing my names) and call it my problem, for all I know Ryan was the one who reported them. I just don't think it's fair to call me the problem when it was either his or my fault. The name he was talking about was "Reef", now he is Jagex releasing name that I own or have owned my fault I try and keep the protected by only showing trusted or people with allot of money. He definitely had enough time to transfer the name, he has had the name for 30 days now.

So first of all, he says it was recovered in his first statement "and the name was recovered" 100% bullshit name was not recovered in anyway it wasn't it was released. Then he brings up my TOS "There are no refunds unless something goes wrong" But the second to last line of my TOS says "You take full responsibility of the account after the name has been traded" This means that I gave Ryan the account 1 month ago today. and on the 11 of September he became full owner of the account and whatever happened to the account after is his fault unless it was recovered or hacked along those lines. And even right now he posted up half of my old list which is leaking and puts my names at further risk of being deleted. I'm saying It was out of my control nothing like this has ever happened to me nor anybody I knew so how was I supposed to prepare for it. I'm just saying the big dogs of the game (Jagex) screwed Myself and Ryan over I don't think it's fair that I should have to repay him, because he could of reported the names himself he could have blurted all of my names in game and jagex picked up on it.

And I didn't drag Ryan into I asked a very good mod to just look over the whole case and even himself didn't know what to say. Now you are dragging in he whole sythe crew for something I didn't do my TOS does state a refund but the second last line sums it up perfectly. It was in your control you took responsibility not me, jagex is the bad guy here not myself. Now may someone please remove his picture where he's leaking 1/3 of my current list.

Thanks Guys


EDIT:
I wasn't using my TOS as leverage I'm just saying if you're going to use my TOS against me I'm going to use my TOS because I think it helps more than it helps you, That refund line is used in cases where it really does apply, if you got hacked I would do everything in my power to help. The second last line of my TOS kind of defines when I would do a refund.

2nd EDIT:
This is my final say until a mod replies but, it was out of my control I didn't own the account so I don't know what he did it could have been all his fault for anyone know. But in my TOS it states When it has left my hands and is the new owners hand there's nothing I can do it's like if someone buys an account and then the new owner bots it and gets banned how is that the original owners fault. I lost 6 names, he lost one I'm pissed off as well, I didn't want to lose some pretty nice names. But I've gotten over it and the only thing you can really do it message Jagex about it or buy it back off Folt a person I'm not affiliated with nor do I suggest you deal with him but that's your choice, considering he is banned here.

 

The name was sniped mid-trade? You're 100% sure? I'd ask for another staff member's input but I'd personally say that because in his terms he states he'll help/if anything goes wrong he'll take care of it, he's responsible.

 

Merged your guys' posts.

 

It wasn't mid traded and it wasn't sniped in any type of trade. I sold him the account 11th of September. Last month and In my TOS it says that after I have traded you the account it's your responsibility. I wasn't making it RFT for anything he decided to keep the name on the account. The name got freed under his supervision he had total control over the account. The name was taken not sniped anyone in the world could have taken it.

In the second line of my TOS it states a "refund if something goes wrong" but putting this matter under the umbrella of wrong is not fair for me at all and personally the second last line of my TOS out rules the refund. You have to be fair on me, I have said this so many times but refunding for something that I didn't cause is ridiculous, by buying a name you know the risks of buying, name deletion I one of those things

THE NAME WAS FREED UNDER HIS CONTROL, NOT SCAMMED, SNIPED OR HACKED. NOTHING TO DO WITH ME AT ALL

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After having a good chat with a very knowledgeable person in the name community and knew Aaron quite well. He has told me that Aaron hates competition and would do anything to try and get rid of any. So me being quite a big one he wanted me gone. And the way how he gets rid of people he's is he would make a fake skype or someone to add me and considering I get about 5 skype adds+ a day it's hard to tell which is which, and he got my list somehow. Then he has reported my names constantly over and over to Jagex by email until Jagex finally looked and expired these names. The person also said he is know for doing this and this isn't a first time he has gotten people names expired and he took them. It's a bit of a coincidence that out of the 7 released he got all 7 of them. So if I were to pay back Ryan which I shouldn't! It's just like I'm paying for what Aaron did, a notorious name sniper, thief and hacker of accounts and banned here on sythe. It's just rubbing salt into my wounds and rewarding Aaron for what he did. I wasn't in control of the account and he had time to transfer the name but he didn't.

 

No the name wasnt sniped mid trade, as you can see in the images, Just himself states that Jagex released his names, which caused him to lose 6, one of which being mine. That is the main reason for him not wanting to refund me, because he lost out. Its his problem and he should be the one dealing with the refund, not the moderators having to intervene and me post on here lol. His tos states he will refund, yet he hasnt done so

 

Ahh okay. After reading those two posts, I believe the way I'm going to look at is as such -

It seems like there was no funny business on either of your parts. Neither of you did anything "wrong" like report the name or brag to jagex that you purchased it, however a third party may have done so.

The way I'd look at this is so, it's just like a gold sale. The seller (Just) sells the gold (name) to the buyer (Jes) and after a few days, Jagex catches on and sees that it was a RWT. Jes gets his gold (name) reset, and Just was also possibly reset (lost a few names).

Thus, the fault is no one's it's just a shitty situation and no one really owes anyone anything.

Would any other staff like to chuck in their opinion?

 

His terms of service state that refunds don't exist until something like this goes wrong. Its his problem if Aaron got access to his list, not mine. Why should I not be refunded for something that he caused?
" So me being quite a big one he wanted me gone. And the way how he gets rid of people he's is he would make a fake skype or someone to add me and considering I get about 5 skype adds+ a day it's hard to tell which is which, and he got my list somehow. Then he has reported my names constantly over and over to Jagex by email until Jagex finally looked and expired these names. " - Just
Its his fault the list got leaked, and I lose out because of that? Its his problem to solve this with a refund. He gave the list to Aaron. He may have been under the assumption it wasnt Aaron, but that isn' t my problem, its his. Why should I lose because of something he did?

Edit 1: "Thus, the fault is no one's it's just a shitty situation and no one really owes anyone anything. "
He has the money of mine, he still gains in this situation, while I lose. I don't even want the full refund, I just want a name of equal value, or a half refund so I can rebuy the name off the person who sniped it when HIS list got released.

 

With buying items there is always a risk. I used to be active in the market as well, and if something went wrong (gold was wiped) it was never my responsibility. You're dealing with a game that is against RWT. Of course there will always be complications.

Again, that's just my opinion and for fairness I will bring other staff into this just so we have multiple opinions.

 

I agree that no one should owe anyone anything. It's neither of their faults and they both lost their fair share already.

 

He gave the account list to Aaron, got them released to Jagex, so I lose the 250m that I paid for the account because of him?

 

There are always going to be people out to scam and profit from other peoples sales and goods. There's no way to prevent this from happening - you have to release your names in order to sell them. It's the risk you take when buying names, Just isn't responsible in this case.