Dicing Vouches

These should be allowed as normal vouches tbh, as they're probably worth more than quite a lot of gold trades or smaller trades like upgrades etc.

 

No support, ruins the status of a vouch considering someone who just gambles and wins can have 100+ vouches if they are lucky enough however aren't really deemed trusted, also gambling is stupid and at any point regardless of how 'trusted' someone is, there is always going to be a very large temptation for them to scam if they are down allot etc..

 

Surely it's the same if someone has just been scammed, or has been rollback'd be jagex with a service or gold purchase?

 

no don't think this will be a good idea, a lot of people will start focussing on gambling to get vouches for it and it may create inactivity in other sections. It's bad as it is. I still think if gambling didn't exist in the first place than other sections may of had more activity.

Even if this was to happen, should be a minimum value bet that can be vouched upon.

 

I agree with this and personally think there's nothing more irritating than people claiming "500 vouches" with none exceeding $5 in value. I think the impetus of whatever decision is made needs to factor in, more broadly, the direction Sythe is taking as a whole. Are we encouraging people to 1) gamble and 2) do so in small increments in order to obtain trust? Or are we letting

I think the best option is to leave things as is. If we establish a minimum bet to obtain a vouch, almost all bets will exceed that amount, helping scammers get away with stealing more than they otherwise would have. If there is no market in which to scam, the scammers will go elsewhere and leave more of the gambling to somewhat more trustworthy people.

tl;dr: Leave as is. Minimums are bad.

 

I do not agree with the dicing vouches. There is no sense of trust when dicing since you aren't really losing anything if you win or lose [scammers]

Never have been to keen on dicing anyways.

 

This could work. All my vouches are seperated into sections on my thread, so people can see whether I'm trusted in that area.

 

Yea and we could allow "vouches" for graphics too then as a form of "feedback" or something.

http://www.sythe.org/12652600-post26.html

 

I get that a lot of you don't want vouches for dicing. But the fact of the matter is a lot of vouches on sythe are trades under $10. It wouldn't draw to much attention away from otger sections and if it does then it was bound to happen anyways. Also I suggested the idea to make it easier not to get scammed and to see people track records with gambling. I mean so what if their filled with a bunch of $5/10 bets its the other person responsibility to scope them out before betting big. Honestly I think it would make a lot of people feel more secure when gambling on the forum. And if your going to bet $400 on a person with $1 $3 bets then atleast that gives you a heads up on them and a couple red flags may come up like a free mm or something may be used in this case.

 

I think there should be vouches for dicing, and graphics, really anything that requires an element of trust, though people shouldn't be vouching per dice roll they do with the same person, a vouch is a vouch and its up to other traders to judge the quality of them, or to vouch for minimum 20$ dice rolls or something like that, but still I support OPs idea

 

I think that all the time being wasted on betting on Sythe could be used in a better way. I just don't see vouches from trading and vouches from betting as equal way of measuring how much I can trust someone.

The average Sythe user is stupid. Someone with 10 trading vouches and 100 betting vouches may claim he has 110 vouches which could also cause confusion even if they are kept separate..

 

This exactly.

People need to be looking at the content of vouches, not just a pure number, anyway.

 

No support I once was a fan of vouches for dicing but now the more I think about it the worse of an idea it's becoming. It's just going to lead to more scams all in all if you don't trust the person don't dice.

 

I haven't read the entire thread, but I'm sure you can record your dicing feedback on your thread if you wish to. Isn't that what you're suggesting?

 

That is pretty much what I'm saying or just have a whole diff vouch form for gambling.

 

You only addressed half my argument, this is usually take gambling we are talking about which had the most amount of scams on Rs history, their is incentive to remaining legit in gold trades as you can decide your own prices etc therefore increase your overall profit as opposed to any single scam -.- whilst their is no incentive with remaining legit long time with gambling as people dont limit how much the bet with someone they just bet what they want with no care for whom they are up against..To avoid scams just use an MM and like I said the main point is it will devalue the term for 'vouch', feedback for graphics make sense buy a vouch for gambling doesn't as people unfortunately go for quantity over quality therefore like I said some lucky person was able to win allot receive great feedback and then is deemed trusted...

 

That's why people shouldn't go on quantity of vouches, but quality.

They should either have to do one of 2 things

- Keep vouches for dicing in a seperate thread, and if they are going to count them in their signature, they must say for instance 100 Vouches (39 from Dicing). Etc. This could also apply for GFX, as there isn't really a trust element involved there.

- Keep the dicing vouches completely seperate, with a seperate vouch count, and they can only be used to advertise your dicing service, not any other market service.

 

This.
Just close the thread already, the person can vouch you on your dicing thread and then you can add it to your OP to show others how much you've paid out.

 

If that's the case, what's the point of the vouch forum then? Why not just quote all the trades that people make in the OP section?
(Sorry, I'm not trying to attack you! Please don't hate me.)

Betters just have to be smart enough to notice that having 5 vouches from a trustworthy/well-known dicers are far more honorable compared to a user with 10 vouches from a bunch of newcomers.. if they don't, then that's their fault. That stuff happens all the time, not just in the dicing thread, but in the marketplace as well. Again, this won't entirely take away the scammers in the dicing thread, but will reduce the scam rate.

This is a valid point

(Personally, this wouldn't really affect me since I host $0.50 bets and I like the idea of having a price limit for vouches, so I wouldn't really have any on the thread if this was approved..but I still support for the other legit dicers)

 

I wouldn't overrate vouches, people scam and it always will be like that so do your best to stay safe. Vouches just show that one person is probably less likely to scam you, yet they still can

Vouches for gamblins are ok for me