Aliens

If Aliens ever tried to befriend Earth, we'd probably end up killing them with our murderous instinct and stealing their technology. Earthlings would probably be known as the most barbaric and violent creatures in the universe.... Maybe we already are, maybe the others have observed us and fear to contact us... If Earth makes it to an intergalactic age, we will conquer the universe.


Agree? Disagree?

 

agree

 

I think you have to believe in aliens in order to even answer this, and there is no proof that we are the most advanced "race" that there is assuming you believe in that.

 

Disagree. If aliens have are intelligent enough and possess the technology to make physical contact with us then they will at the very least give us a good run for our money.

If they can travel farther and faster than us in space than they already obviously have the upper hand technologically. If they only possess the technology to move at the same pace as we do, then they'd either have to be very close or the war would take so long that it wouldn't even be worth starting.

If anything, the exact opposite will happen. As Steven Hawking said, he suspects that contact between aliens and humans will mimic that of Columbus with the Native Americans, which didn't end well for the Native Americans (now us).

 

This seems more like a Something for All kind of topic, but oh well.

We would not stand an iota of a chance against aliens. Whenever people talk about aliens or being invaded I always think that people don't understand the vast distances in space and the immense amount of power it would take to travel these distances.

The fastest ever man-made object is the Helios 2 probe going about 149,967 miles per hour, which is 0.000223% the speed of light. The closest uninhabitable star system is Alpha Centauri which is ~4.24 lightyears away.

So whether these "aliens" were travelling for excessively long amounts of time at near-light speed or somehow at faster than light speeds, it would require massive amounts of energy, not to mention it'd be extremely hard to detect that we're even here at all among billions of planets. The odds of aliens with reliable interstellar travel reaching the planet Earth by random are almost null. From that we can safely say they'd have to come here knowing that life was here, so they'd probably be even more advanced than just their propulsion systems would leave us to believe.

We have the power to wipe out countries with a few nuclear weapons, what do you think an alien with engines utilizing more energy than the whole of the Earth could do? Attacking them would be the dumbest possible course of action and would almost certainly result in failure.

 

Dont exist, no proof no truth

 

No you dont, Its saying IF THERE IS aliens, we would probably conquer them or just wipe them all out IF there is anything out there. IF there is such a thing in the universe, do you agree that we would conquer/kill it off when we found it? IF?

Good points, but I'm not talking about them invading... I'm saying yes, thats far distances, if aliens tried to make contact, we would probably kill them before trying to make peace, depending how far away they came from and if they are advanced enough to send out an invasion right after we killed their people or not, we could possibly have time to duplicate their technology and not only defend against an invasion, but lead an invasion back to their home world, and just grow as tyrants from there.

Now, of course they could come upon us on accident, or maybe they did know we were here, but like I said, if they came even with intentions to make peace with us, we are a violent race and would most likely kill them, take their weapons and attempt to duplicate them for our own armies, and if such was done before any more of their race came to kill us (if they came at all) we would have the same technology, and say no others did come, we would have plenty of time to re-make their spaceships and be able to travel as far and fast as they can.

Technology like I said in my reply to Prom, can possibly be duplicated and used to against them if enough time was given. But not only that, but remember that the advanced weapons arent always what wins a war. The vikings fought with britians knights numerous times, often they were fighting in just clothing or homemade chainmail with small wooden shields and WINNING against full plated knights and soldiers with large metal shields.

 

Disagree were fucking idiots. IF we ever got into contact with aliens they would be fucking thousands of years advanced compared to us. How would they cross the glaxies to get to us? They would prob be very technological to even reach us , which means they would obviously be superior. we being war hungry idiots, would probably try to attack them get crushed and that would be the end of us.

 

Read my above post about better technology not meaning they are superior.

 

I agree but I don't think you understand technological advancement.


Technology evolves faster and faster. This wouldn't be a vikings vs knights. The technological differences that even 150 years brings would be like a neanderthal savage attempting to operate a fighter jet..

They would basically have complete control of the situation imo. If we decide to become hostile then they could easily fuck our shit.


on the implied point of our nature: We are opportunistic monkeys....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

Educate yourselves, non-believers.

 

Awsome point..

 

I never said them invading. I'm starting to believe you don't even comprehend your own question.

Why would we just straight off the bat attack them? What kind of dumb move is that? That would be the equivalent of Madagascar trying to invade the United States. If we attacked beings capable of traveling hundreds if not thousands of light years just to come to Earth we might as well just nuke ourselves to oblivion.

Time to duplicate their technology? Are you high? Have you SEEN our propulsion systems? Our weapons systems? An alien capable of traveling at or over close to light speed would never invent a weapon that propels small weights of iron and carbon alloys by igniting a powder of potassium nitrate, charcoal, and sulfur.

Do you know how amazingly inferior a simple GUN would be? A missile?

The space shuttle's main engines are propelled by the COMBUSTION of liquid hydrogen and oxygen. As far as I'm aware, the space shuttles never go above 30,000 mph, and I don't see any missiles equipped with nuclear warheads strapped on there either.

We don't even have a small fighter craft(that the public is aware of) that can achieve low Earth orbit. How exactly do you expect to destroy an Alien spacecraft? Are they going to conveniently land in the middle of nowhere so we can nuke them?

What you're implying is that the human race is an unintelligent almost thoughtless race that simply attacks anything they're not familiar with, which is completely irresponsible and plain stupid.

 

^^^^^^ agreed

 

We ARE unintelligent and thoughtless... look at the North Korea starting a war with a country that situation is almost exactly like Madagascar invading the US. And the US attacking the middle east for oil. It's not about who has better weapons, its about we want what they got and our citizens are disposable.

Duplication is also very possible... Say they found a way to turn solar power or something into a deadly laser, take apart the machine, learn to put it back together and you can build your own.

But either way violence and war is human nature. I wouldn't put it a bit past any country to out right attack alien visitors. I consider it a big possibility that thats what happened in rothwell when the government tried to cover it up. It's possible it was aliens meaning us no harm, who got blasted by us. And whose to say that we arent the only violent race in the whole universe? maybe these aliens out there in space dont even know what a weapon is and simply live in peace and harmony. Its 100% unknown and until we make contact, there will be no way of knowing. It's not likely, no, but its absolutely possible.

 

I don't know if you've noticed, but North Korea isn't at war with us. They're posturing. We sent troops over to Afghanistan and Iraq to make sure they didn't have weapons of mass destruction and to remove the insurgents.

Really? Solar power? Do you comprehend how little energy is generated by solar power? We essentially use controlled explosions to get our shuttles into Low Earth Orbit and you're suggesting that we can reverse engineer technology from a race that can travel across the galaxy?

Are you twelve?

First off you spelled Roswell wrong, and second I don't know if you've looked outside your window recently but that's a conspiracy theory.


Wow, I feel really stupid. Here I am trying to make a logical argument with the same guy that said this in one of his threads to one of the most respected members of Sythe:

I assume that this is also a Sci-Fi fantasy thread because you're taking this discussion from hypothetical to just complete ignorant bullshit.

Please go back under your rock or come back in about 5 years when you're capable of comprehending how incredibly unintelligent you sound.

 

Im an idiot for fantasizing about unknowns? maybe your the idiot for not considering anything is possible. and if u really believe we went to the middle east for "weapons of mass destruction" you might be even slower than mr. respected who couldnt figure out the difference between a fantasy thread and a realism thread.

Is this why sythe's community has gotten so small as of late? because people act like what they believe is fact on here? or because mods seem to be abusing their powers here lately?


My friend, I think that if you were christian and were aware of me being an Odinist you would probably bitch out 2 long ass posts about why thats not right as well. Which is the same kind of situation I had to deal with with mr. respected in my other thread.

 

That's exactly what your posts are. Fantasy. They're all complete horse shit.

The dictionary states Fantasy as meaning:

You have the nerve to come to Sythe and make a thread in General Discussion with a realistic premise, and then when you take the thread in whatever direction you want you get mad at people for sticking to the original basis of the discussion.

According to you, the human race is a stupid thoughtless race that is over-aggressive. Well we aren't all that way, but you sure are a prime example. You've come here and prodded at moderators and other members for trying to address YOUR THREAD in a realistic manner and for that you think they're unimaginative idiots.

It is unbelievably shocking to me that you haven't managed to get yourself banned up to now.

 

realistic premise? WTF is realistic about cyborgs? I dont think our technology has risen to a level of creating cyborgs yet... so to post on a thread about cyber-parts on a human with why its not possible, is pretty dumb anyway that you look at it.

Posting here about what you believe and calling me an idiot for not believing it is also pretty dumb... isn't that considered bigotry? The prime thing here is do you think if aliens came to earth, we would try to befriend or kill them. I made my statement, I asked for others. You did fine in your first post, but after that you just started actin like... i dont even know... an asshole I guess... and when I return your asshole-ness with my own, it makes me wrong, but you right?

I am making my own points and you begin attacking me with things like "are you high?" and etc. I was indeed high. and I'm high right now. If I was sober, how would I even think up a random ass subject like this? However, showing respect will go a long way, and after your first post, you've shown none, and I will show you none in return.

You could have easily revised that second post to not have things that was INTENDED to offend, but you did have those things in there that were intended to offend me and I think about the only thing that did actually offend me was the fact you were trying to do so, and when I did so back, you got butthurt and just kept going on. So either let this thread go back to the type of discussion it was meant to be (do u think we wud attack them or not) or we can keep going back and forth, I really dont care, I get on the computer when I dont have shit else to do, so while I'm online, I got plenty of time to fuck with ya back an forth.

 

You were talking about robotic prosthetics, something that is being worked on in robotics labs across the United States and the world. When people attempt to create these things they have to develop them with the limitations of the rest of the human body in mind. You blatantly attacked Mohtasa for making a factual statement and now you're going to try and lecture me on respect.

What I believe? I posted plain and simple facts and used them to back up my claims that our technology was too inferior for us to possibly compete with aliens who can travel across the galaxy. What part of that is inaccurate or a "belief"? You clearly have no grasp on the power requirements of an engine that would propel a ship of sufficient size to close to light speed, not to mention the technical advancements that would need to be made to sustain life on that ship for potentially years at a time.

My point was that we use controlled explosions to get the space shuttles into orbit, which is rather primitive in comparison. The amount of resources and combustible material required to get a ship of sufficient size to travel across the galaxy is completely unrealistic, if not impossible. Any technology propelling an alien ship would be far superior to ours. Iran has trouble enough making heads or tails of a captured U.S. drone, how do you think we would handle tech from a race hundreds if not thousands of years more advanced than us? And that's being generous because that would mean we even got our hands on it in the first place.

A random ass subject? What? Aliens visiting Earth and the implications of such an event requires being intoxicated to discuss? I suppose Stephen Hawking likes to smoke a bowl before writing some proofs then.

I referred to you as "high" because you clearly weren't thinking straight. Your points were hardly points at all, but just unsupported claims - it sounds like you just went on a marathon watching War of the Worlds, Star Trek, and Star Wars and thought it was real science.

Yes, I was intending to offend you. Everyone that has posted in this thread and everyone that will view it in the future will clearly see that your points are unsupported and quite frankly unintelligent.

Implying I'm "butthurt" by someone who clearly didn't pass 11th grade Physics is about as absurd as the rest of your beliefs.

The discussion was would we attack an alien race should it come to planet Earth, and the answer is obviously no. We wouldn't. You didn't say an alien invasion, you didn't say Hitler's reincarnation, no, you said aliens VISITING Earth.

The whole basis of your argument is that we'd attack aliens just out of the blue because we're a violent, thoughtless, unintelligent, and aggressive race. This, as everyone can clearly see, is an opinion. You did not attempt to support it with factual evidence or professional opinion, but you treated it as if it was a fact and tried to manipulate the posts of other users to fit your Science Fiction discussion.

If you want to make a thread that's based purely on your opinions, please state that in the original post because otherwise individuals like myself and the other members that have posted in this thread think you intend to have a serious and intellectual discussion, which you clearly do not.