TWC - are you kidding me?!?!

*ONE More 'Yes' Vote Is All We Need!*

This is a repose to... http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1562545-requesting-twc-rswealth.html#post12175942

Please read and post your honest feedback. I ask you one question: Was this a reasonable punishment? Don't you think a couple day ban or infraction would had been a more appropriate?

Thank You!

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Summary

In shorter terms, I'm going to summarize what's below in the shortest terms possible. I'll leave what's below because I really am disappointed about this TWC, and explains my point of view very extensively. The main reason I got my TWC was because some guy wanted to get back at me and used situations that he wasn't involved in. He stated how 'another guy,' I wouldn't use a middleman. This was for a 425k trade, because I wanted vouches where others went first to help my credibility for my gold sales shop. Believe it or not, now that I got 5, AFTER the TWC request, it's helped a ton. If the trade was for more than 1m, I definitely would of used an MM, but I didn't think it was necessary, and the reason I made my questing thread, was not to only get quests done, but I also made it to get vouches where others went first. IT WAS MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT REASON. I acknowledge 'it wasn't in the rules' isn't an excuse, but this a common thing, and it's unfair to give someone a TWC who didn't want to use a middleman for 1.) very small trades and 2.) I specifically made the thread to get quests done, but more so for vouches with cred. because I am a 12 year rs player, and could of easily done them on my own. Now, if someone 'consistently' refuses a middleman in all of his threads, big trades as well, that is someone to look out for. But, I had 5 vouches before I started wanting these vouches, and I had enough cred, I wanted vouches with better cred. The other major reason, besides the facts he said "I treat my mom bad, and other members badly, AND which blew my mind, he had the nerve to say, it's a bad combo that I'm leaving for Navy soon and would be apt to scam.' Now, leaving for the Navy is something I can't control, and I know this has been done before where people scam before they leave, but do you realize, after boot camp, I will go to school and there's plenty of free time where I'd run my business after boot camp. There's a 2-3 month period after boot camp, where it's in a dorm room like college. Okay, my mom has nothing to do with it, so the other reason which is reasonable, but in my opinion, not sufficient enough to give a TWC, that I was treating members badly. I'm a LOVE or HATE type of guy, and I was getting a bunch of nonsense, just like today, a guy threatens to DDOS me, because I won't sell to a newcomer who is willing to go first via PayPal due to charge backs. Things like that, I normally would argue back. However, I realized it only causes problems, and for now on, I am going to handle situations with immature kids wanting to argue much better; not necessarily get along with them, but just ignore them. So, basically between me denying a middleman (mind you, for a 425k trade) and arguing, I got a TWC. Now, we all make mistakes, but I think the arguing should had been an infraction, not a TWC. Please realize, I am here for business only, and got side tracked at first, but I am back in focus and really want this TWC off, because I can't have it hurting my business rep. Also, the difference between someone constantly denying a mm is a cautious person, but when I made that threat specifically to get credible vouches, I really feel misunderstood in this entire situation.

The thread that landed me in all this controversy can be found here: http://www.sythe.org/runescape-2007-services/1562213-quests-need-some-completed.html and please take the time to read it if you can. I edited some of my posts because I decided I'm no longer going to argue. However, what I'd like to point out are two major things about this whole experience on Wednesday. Basically, before the thread, on Wednesday, I had roughly 4-5 vouches. I stated I primarily made this thread to have others go first to make my shops I opened up about a week ago more credible. I'd like for you guys to know that AFTER the thread was made for TWC approval, and BEFORE the approval was made, which the 'global moderator' overlooks, I had some very notable vouches, which are listed below. The first one, I went first because the guy was highly trusted, unlike the one that offered a middleman. After that, I paid 400k to a quester who did 'Plague City' AFTER the quest was completed. Next, I paid 1.2m to another quester who went first, because he understood my vision. Then, they get even larger. Because of these vouches, my plan worked. I bought 4m, and paid out $20 instantly via PayPal. Right after that, I paid another instant payment of 6m for roughly $30 via PayPal. Finally, Thursday, I had a guy that sold 1m to me, no problem, and I paid him his 4m instantly via PayPal. As you can see, the reason I made the questing thread was for more credible vouches, and because of that, I was able to get people to go first to me and sell me gold via PayPal and trust me with full confidence. I have been on other forums, and I understand business really well. I have over 1,000 feedback on PlayerAuctions, and I'm not an idiot. My biggest mistake, was the timing with having huge arguments with these immature kids, which makes me just as immature, and refusing an MM, this guy was able to make me look like the bad guy.

The reason he decided to report me, was because he offered me advice something along the lines of, 'Be nicer to people and they won't spam your thread.' Yeah, it seems like harmless and respectable advice, but honestly, look at it from my perspective. I took it as a jack#@$ type of comment, because one, people shouldn't be spamming my thread in the first place, two, I am nice to people until they are rude to me, and I really don't need someone telling me how to act, I'm 19. Three, it's common sense and quite obvious, and maybe I took it wrong, maybe not, but I honestly don't need someone telling me how to treat others, especially when it's very obvious. I took it as a jack@#$ comment. Therefore, I was one back and said, "Mind your own business, that's my advice." And, well, he called me a jerk. That was the climax of the argument, but I felt like my advice was very similar to his, because I really felt he just needed to mind his own business, and worry about himself. Due to that comment, he decided to really get involved into something that wasn't his business, and managed to get me TWC approved. Which blows my mind, because he had no business in my thread, and took everything from my thread, and combined it into one to give me a TWC. Not to mention, he did a great job at highlighting my flaws to make me look like a bad guy. What really goes to show you his intentions, he's been PMing me ever since until today, Friday, April 12, 2013 trying to reason with me and explain why he did what he did, and bla bla bla. Which proves my accusations right about his advice. How? Because he gave me a TWC, so it's like okay, now don't ever talk to me again and leave me alone. Instead, he's been messaging me and saying stuff like, 'Yup, you got what you deserve, and he sent me a message today explaining why he reported me, which makes no sense to me. Here's the first sentence of the paragraph he sent: "I did request a TWC for you just because you didn't use my service or because I don't like you. I did some research, analyzed your bahavior, looked at your join date, previous trades and sensitivity to people that don't trade the way you want them to." In real life terms, that'd be like snitching on a drug dealer, and then visiting them in jail and explaining why you did what you did. Also, I've asked him repeatedly on Wednesday to just leave me alone, and till this day, he's basically rubbing it in my face. So, that goes to show his advice was simply a jack@#$ remark, as he is continuing to try and reason with me, AFTER he reports me. You just don't do that, leave me the hell alone after you screwed up my shops by giving me a TWC. Once again, he wasn't even involved in the arguments.

Now, all I ask, with this shortest summary I could possibly do on the situation, is to please give your personal opinion on whether I deserve a TWC. As a man, I have come forward that I was a acting a fool and arguing back with people, and for that, I'm sorry. However, I feel that should of been an infraction, not a TWC. Because of my immature arguments, wouldn't necessarily mean that I should be a cautious player to trade with. Now, I definitely applaud the user, 'KLDG,' for the way he was able to highlight my flaws into one post, and make it seem worse than what it is, but we all make mistakes, and we should pay the price if we break the rules, but to give me a TWC and ruin my business,' in my opinion, was an unfair punishment. He brought up my mom, and me going to the Navy, which is just a bunch of bullcrap. The real matters we are dealing with, is the fact I denied a middleman on a 425k trade, and I feel I genuinely explained myself and justified my reasoning's; I am not the type of member to deny a middleman for every trade, as there was a motivation for my questing thread. So, we are left with one factor, and that is arguing with members. I'd say there is a large percentage of members on here that find themselves in an argument at least once in their time on Sythe, and we should be punished, but don't you think something like an infraction would had been more reasonable than a TWC.

More than likely, you probably don't like me, because I can agree that I made a bad approach on these forums. However, I feel like a TWC was the wrong answer, and that is the reason for this post. Just like Snooki, she made a bad approach to the roomates, and ended up being one of the hit stars on the show. I want you guys to put yourselves in my shoes, and with my justifications for the middleman (was actually an agreement to pay 425k after a total of '3' easy quests) who would honestly risk their Sythe account and 5 vouches for '1' easy quest, because they're not going to do the rest of the quests after I scam them on one. Also, I would of had to trust them on an account with 11m.

Edit: Friday, April 12, 2013. I've asked this kid continuously to just leave me alone. He reported me, got the TWC approval, and now he wants to rub it in my face, and it's really immature. It's obvious he only did it so he can rub it in my face afterwards. It's one thing to report someone and get them approved for 'TWC' but to keep PMing me day after day to just rub it in my face is really uncalled for. I have other messages, which I deleted of him PMing me RIGHT AFTER I got approved. Dude, just leave me alone. That is like snitching on someone, and then trying to talk to them and explain why you put them in jail. I was raised in the streets, and this kid has some nerve to message me. Luckily for him, it's over the computer, but it shows this kid was obviously raised in the rich suburbs.

Hello, fellow Sythers.

I am here with an attempt to have my TWC disapproved, which has not yet been implemented.

"The Story"

This took place two days ago, from today's date; Wednesday, April 10, 2013. I created a thread to find 'Quester's' for my RuneScape account. It definitely has a large list of quests: HERE. I needed someone, which whom I found a couple and they are very nice people, and I have gotten along with extremely well. After all, this is going to be about a 2 week process, AND I need people I can trust to ensure they do NOT train my defence or range.

I was getting some quick responses. However, after I got my customers, this is when some trouble came in. I'll break it down for you.

1st Person:

This guy is pre much the reason I feel my TWC was approved, which was a false and quick misconception. We talked on Sythe, and then came the part about the payment and who would go first. At the time, I needed '3' quests completed: Death Plateau, Waterfall Quest, & Tree Gnome Village. All pretty easy quests, right?

I had just opened my 'Old School RuneScape' Gold Shops. At the time, I only had about '5' vouches, all them going second. I decided in order to gain people's trust for my shop(s), I needed some vouches with other people going first, to gain some credibility. I don't think there's anything wrong with that; How do you guys feel? As I was saying, these are all classified as 'easy' quests, and I told him somewhere along the lines, 'Look bro, how about if I pay you 425k after 'each' quest?' (That was the agreed total, 3 x 425k) He asked if we could use an MM, and my response was somewhere in the lines, 'Hey man, I just opened my gold shops, and I really need some vouches to gain credibility with the other person going first.' After all, the was one of the main motivations of me starting this thread.

I acknowledge it is NOT a valid excuse, 'it wasn't in the rules excuse,' but I feed this is a scenario that happens more frequently than others and maybe it should be in the rules if this is the case. It states no where in the rules, and if this is the case, which it is for this TWC approval, something like this should definitely be listed. No where in the rules does it say anything along the lines, 'If you decline the use of a middleman if one is requested, you will be given a TWC.' Had I known that, I wouldn't of thought twice about accepting.

2nd Person:

This one is the most interesting of them all. In my opinion, the most immature and ignorant one of them all as well; which you will quickly see my point. I have a picture, but I'm going to explain very briefly what happened first. I had already hired an awesome 'Quester,' and he was in the process of questing as I spoke to this guy. I was using my Skype to 'buy & sell' gold at the time, and that is why I was still adding potential customers. However, I got this very interesting character who in my opinion, is one of the people that defines the downfall of our society.

Feel free to check out his well, constructed report scam:
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1562490-report-vs-rswealth.html

He pleaded me hire him to quest, because he needed '1 million GP.' for who knows what. The first time, I kindly replied that I already had my quester and did not need anyone, but that I appreciated the offer. Wellllll....., he wasn't too happy with that reply. So, he asked if he could do the quest, 'Desert Treasure' for me. Let's think for a second... the quest is not listed on my quest list, and it would most likely take about a week to finish all the pre-quests, which are listed, before ANYONE is doing Desert Treasure. I asked him to 'please' stop. What I meant by that, was to please stop begging for business, and find someone else.

You can see part of the conversation (below)



This just reminded me of a character that added me on Skype today. He wanted to know if he could buy any gold, and I asked him for his payment method, 'PayPal.' I asked him how many vouches, he replied, 'None, that is why I am going first.' INSTANT RED FLAG TO ME. I replied, 'No thank you. I'm sorry, but due to chargebacks, I will not be able to do business with you today.' He called me a faggot, and said something along the lines of, 'That's okay, I'm going to DDOS you.' I told him to grow up, and bla bla bla. Most likely it was a young one, along the ages of 12 who probably literally just successfully set-up his ddoser, if not paid someone to do it for him using 'Teamviewer, and thought he was the king of the world for once in his life after years of bullying at school. It's actually a quite sad story, if you put it in those terms. Anyways...., that was a very off-topic but comical story I thought I'd share with you guys because it really reminded me of the bizarre response I received from the '2nd Guy'

Third Peson:
Third guy, last, but definitely not the 'Least.' This is the fella who was able to surprisingly, I repeat, SUR-PRIS-ING-LY get me 'TWC approved,' who then taunted me via PMs after it happened.

Here's 'how & why' I think he was able to do it. First off, the person who saw his request only saw the shell. She did not take the time to dig in deep, and see everything that happened. The kid, which I applaud him for, was able to make it sound pretty good and did an amazing job with pictures to make me look like the 'Bad Guy' especially if you are quickly doing your job on the forums and going through ban approvals, TWC requests, etc, etc.

Also, he bounced off everything that happened that day, WHICH DID NOT EVEN INVOLVE HIM to make this work. He used the fact that I denied a middleman, mind you it was for '3' easy quests, for 425k ea I agreed to pay after each quest... big boy money, eh?

I repeat... If I had known that if you would be labeled as a cautious Sythe user if you deny an middleman (which I could EASILY understand if it was a bigger trade that would really need to use an middleman. Not to say there is never a wrong time to use one, but it's arguably not always necessary; especially when I'm specifically looking for specific vouches for my business's.)

Secondly, he goes on to use a thread that I had posted 'a week ago.' Yes, a week ago! where I regrettably made a thread that was supposed to be meant for comedy purposes, but turned into something much more. Now, we all make mistakes and this is definitely not one that I feel should had been successfully used against me to label me as a cautious user. To sum it up, he said because I disrespect my mother, that I must be a scammer... Oh jeez, let's be realistic.
Hey, that makes 'PERFECT' sense! right?!

Thirdly, which this one absolutely blows my mind the way he is able to perpetrate this negatively. However, like I said, I applaud him for doing this because it would definitely work on someone ignorant and naive; no offence. It basically said that since I am leaving for the military soon, that this, along with everything else is a 'bad' combination. You're kidding me right? The fact i am fighting for my country, I should be a cautious person. Let's put this in realistic terms 'one by one.'

1.) For anyone who lives in the USA, I will be fighting for your country and leaving for boot camp soon. I will be fighting for your lives, not stealing from you. Don't get me wrong, I do see what the idiot is 'trying' to say, 'I am leaving soon and I may scam everyone before I leave.'

2.) To say the least, I do not have the power to make a big enough impact with my vouch list, so that would be very ignorant.

3.) Finally, for someone willing to risk their life and fight for your country most likely isn't going to steal from another person, when they are willing to risk their life for yours. Fourth, that child is an idiot for making this accusation.

Lastly, which I believe was probably the second reason this whole thing was able to work is the fact I had been finding myself in more argument than I should had been in. Also, he posted many pictures of what I was saying to others, that really made me look bad. All of these posts were directed at people trying to ruin my business. For instance, people similar to the second guy who are just mad because I did not use their service. Then, I had a bunch of people posting not to use me because I denied the use of a middleman. Their words, were that I "REFUSED" the use of a middleman. Let's getting something straight right now. There is a big difference in the words deny and refusing of the use of a middleman. I would be very open to the use of a middleman at the time if the trade exceeded maybe, 750k. But, like I said, I was more in this thread for vouches that would help with the success of my newly founded business'.

Now, I am a man. Why? Because I can own up to my mistakes when needed. I have already talked to a friend, the person who is doing my quests, and has been going first, about this situation. I basically told him that I need to stop letting these young, immature, naive, ignorant kids get to me and just let them talk because it's making me look bad.

HOWEVER, HOW-EV-ER, A PERSON'S ATTITUDE DOES NOT ASSOCIATE THEM WITH THEIR INTENTIONS.

My intentions were never, and still are never to scam anyone on these forums. Just like all of you, when I signed up on these forums, I signed my name, stating that I did not come to these forums to scam anyone. Therefore, not breaking any of the rules, I should not had ever been approved for a 'TWC.' I already acknowledged that I was aware not breaking any of the rules is not an excuse, but that is something I'm sure happens a lot, and not all of the times does it mean your intentions are to scam.

You can see part of the conversation (below)



My plea

To start off, 'KLDG' did a fabulous job making nothing out of something to make me look like the 'bad guy.' I will agree to work on the way I deal with most of these arrogant little kids. That is the only downfall of playing MMORPG games, that there's a lot of young, immature, ignorant kids that think it's funny & cool to do what's called 'Trollin,' when I actually find it very ignorant, stupid, and unsocial-like. If you have any passion for women, trollin' definitely isn't going to score you into her pants.

I have already started changing my ways, in hopes it will disapprove the TWC, as it has not yet been added. For instance, the kid who threatened to DDOS me, because I didn't service a newcomer via PayPal and called me a faggot. I don't take offence when people call me names, or get scared cause they're going to DDOS me (Oh no! I'm so scared) but the old me did love to argue back and give them a run for their words. I've decided it's just as ignorant and immature of myself to stoop to their level and allow them to suck me into their realm and basically start a flame war, because it takes 'two-to-tango.' I still don't believe that 'you're attitude has anything to do with your intentions on scamming,' but I will stop because that's a minute part in becoming a better person, and I strive everyday to become a better person. Other than that, I have one more thing I'd like to say, which I have written in a large, red font. (below)

AFTER all this controversy, and BEFORE I was 'TWC Approved,' I earned a total of '5' vouches that day; Wednesday, April 10, 2013. 4 out of 5 of the vouches stated that they went first. I paid out over $50 buying RSGP via PayPal within 2 trades, INSTANTLY. I also paid out roughly 1.8m after a total of 3 quests were completed, one of the quests I paid upfront because the guy was highly trusted. I do believe the 'Global Moderator' was quick to judge, and was unaware of all the business I had successfully had done that day. Before Wednesday, I only had about 4 vouches with my going first in all of them. Before then, I do believe my attitude would had been slightly suspicious, and that's just me being nice.

One last thing. If it would be possible, and this could make-or-break me, if we could have a vote between the staff who run this forum on whether they think i should have a TWC. Most people either LOVE or HATE me. The reason I think this would be fair, is because I think the 'global moderator' who initially gave me the TWC made a mistake. I almost said a HUGE mistake. but I've now realized that I didn't help the situation. In no way, shape, or form did I have intentions on scamming, and never will, but my attitude allowed the 'reporter' to get an edge on me and was successful with his report, which he then basically rubbed it in my face. He actually did it more so to rub it in my face, than him thinking I was a scammer. Also, I find it very odd that all the reasons in which he reported me, was not even him involved. He highlighted my outrages, and it just made me look really bad. But, please note that I have changed my ways on these forums, and the biggest one, is not that I'm going to necessarily be more 'friendly' with others on these forums, but rather just ignore them if they have nothing nice, or productive to say. So, please take extreme note of that, and please realize that if I get a TWC, it's going to effect my business and I'm only on here to do good business, and I will now embrace that to the fullest, rather than arguing with immature little kids, and not be one myself.

Also, you will see he did this as an attempt to troll, as apposed to him feeling threatened. Along with that taunting of the PMs as soon as the TWC request was approved, which was the 2nd report against me in the same day, he posts on my thread:

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=12181130#post12181130

It actually pissed me off pretty badly. I felt like, 'Okay, you won the battle, but do you have to rub it in my face.' Personally, I feel like this shows he didn't do it because he really thought I was a scammer, but because he didn't like me. And the last thing that should happen is that someone gets another person approved for a TWC because of their personal opinion. I definitely applaud this man for making me look to be the 'bad guy' that I am NOT.

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My vouches: http://www.sythe.org/vouches-forum/1540446-rswealth-vouches-post12016317.html#post12016317

My vouches I earned on Wednesday, April 10, 2013. (Below)

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I don't see any reason why a TWC should have been applied here..

I'll support the removal.

 

Good read, 10/10, would recommend

In all seriousness I'll support removal. It seems to be a huge misunderstanding.

 

I'll offer support for removal.

 

Got your PMs, I'll support the removal as well.

 

Thanks everyone. I would like to conserve this post to kindly thank each and every one of you for supporting my thread.
This TWC has taken a huge toll on the way I'm able to conduct business, and I couldn't be any more grateful for yall's support.

And without further adieu...

Thank You for being the ballsy one to kick this thread off with it's 'first Yes.' It may two days or so since I posted this thread, but I definitely feel like you were the one who opened everyone's eyes and the confidence to go against the first ruling. (No offence to the moderator who rules my TWC)

Hey man, I would like to give you a 'genuine & bold' THANK YOU!

Thanks, man!

Thanks! I appreciate the support, bro.

Thanks guys/women, for taking the time to read this extensive & informational thread. Hopefully, this prevents anyone else from landing in my position, and didn't have the patience, nor knowledge to write such a well-developed thread to give their plea.

 

...I'm impressed.
Support though.

 

That's 5, I'll go ahead and request the removal, congratulations.

 

I just wanted to say:



IN YOUR FUCKING FACES, MODS, I told y'all he was a scammer c.c

 

Which is exactly why I didn't post a support, people that write out that much crap obviously have some kind of trick up their sleeves.