Question for Sythe in Regards to Stolen Goods

What about avoiding the question? Should the responsibility be put on the seller to disclose the origins of the gold even if it doesn't come up? Assuming I bought gold that was duped off a reseller, he knew the gold was duped and the seller later posted proof the reseller knew but me and the other 50 people who bought the gold weren't aware it was duped because we never asked the question would anybody be punished?

 

Once again, the fact remains, Gold4Fun seems to be unaware of the rules.

 

And another one.

You are now chatting with 'Sara'

Sara: Hello,how may I help you today?
johnson1: hello, i am looking to sell 1000M RS Gold
Sara: $270 for 1b
johnson1: what pay method can you offer
Sara: paypal and moneybookers
johnson1: hmm
johnson1: how fast do you pay
Sara: in 2 days
johnson1: what???
johnson1: why 2 days?
Sara: here is weekend
johnson1:
johnson1: just recovered some good rs accts need to sell now..
johnson1: ok, how do you remember
johnson1: that you owe me money
Sara: after you sold
Sara: you will get an code from me
johnson1: a code?
Sara: yes
johnson1: and then i bring to you later
johnson1: and you pay it?
Sara: yes
johnson1: ok
johnson1: where should i go to trade?
Sara: do you want to sell now
johnson1: yes
Sara: and paypal or moneybookers
johnson1: paypal
johnson1: where to meet?

 

EDIT'

R2 Failed =[

 

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I will be making sure Jason understands that is unacceptable.

jason's reply.

He does indeed have 10 convos going.

Of course, that also means the gold4fun agent could have been in the same situation.

 

Is this why Viou was banned? I can see you really know what you're doing Sythe.

 

I think the Gold4Fun agents just speak very little English.

 

Ok, I think everyone should stop on the vigilante stuff now lol.

 

It just proves though that this isn't exactly an easy problem to fix. Do we all deserve perm bans?

 

Let's make this clear. Knowingly accepting stolen goods is not going to be tolerated moving forward. The consequences for doing it have not been set in stone yet but it isn't going to be an instant ban.

 

I'm with you SuF. Just showing where the community is at right now.

 

Should Kevin not be banned though? I like Kevin and he's one of the most legit members on this forum but it seems the same standard isn't being held across the forum, one admitted to it and one was just caught attempting it in most cases getting caught has been worse than admitting to it. R2P's agent was just caught whether intentional or not it happened and in a court of law ignorance of due diligence would not grant you amnesty. Maybe Kevin over looked it but he accepted to vouch for the hacked gold.

Also are we talking moving forward from your post or Sythe's? If Sythe's post then we have already moved forward... or was Viou banned to be made an example of?

Corey quoted me above saying we don't know the origins but Kevin flat out said he would vouch for the hacked gold. I'm sure if you asked Kevin he would apologize for the mistake but would this make it right or should his pardon be "fucking vetoed" as well.

 

Actually, the line I used with Gold4Fun was quite vague.

Saying you just recovered an account can certainly mean your own RS account. It doesn't mean it was someone else's. Not saying that Jason even noticed that, but I am saying that it wasn't clearly communicated that it was a hacked account.

With Kevin's chat, it's much more clearly a stolen account.

 

We aren't going to be handing out bans for a first offence. I also believe there is going to be amnesty for any prior incidents.

 

Then why is Viou being punished for his previous incidents? I'm not butt hurt or anything I'm just really curious because one staff says one thing and another says another, one stated we would ban them and now you're saying not for first offences. I would just like to know for future reference and I'm sure many others want to know as well to avoid a ban.

 

Gold4Fun can't English so that's a slightly more annoying issue.

 

One big difference. Viou did accept $ via Lebenfire through PlayerAuctions, knowing it was fraud. That is a whole new ball game. He filtered Leben's frauded funds through PA, knowing PA would be out the money. That's the thing I saw in Viou's post where I said, WTF.

 

We are going to be updating the rules so that it is clear that it is not allowed and so that there is a common punishment. I do not believe that we will end up issuing bans for first offences in the future. I was not involved with Viou's banning and his status could change.

 

I thought that is what he meant by the chat. Selling gold to someone using stolen real money not selling real gold. I could be mistaken. I wasn't really involved.