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    To protect the longevity of Sythe, I feel something needs to be done. It's clear that Runescape is not drawing in as many users as it used to, and without advertising, Sythe as a once famous Black Market site, is falling wayward.

    I was wondering, if Sythe himself would for a select period of time, put forth 10% of all Donations to an advetisment pot. This pot can be used by the Admins/Globals, whomever Sythe (Richard) see's fit, in using the funds to promote Sythe. Whether it be through paid competitions, general advertising, or other uses; I feel it would allow for more opportunities, in aiding the site to grow.

    What do you guys think?

    Edit: Doesn't have to be 10%, can even be 1%, whatever amount is deemed appropriate.
     
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    Well, I have an approx. amount of monthly donations (Because I receive 50%+ of third party donations) and I think 5-15% wouldn't hurt servers' money.

    Now on the other hand this leaves room to corruption and sudden disappearance of money, if you know what I mean.

    I was talking to Gov about making trades safer on the site the other day, that's what we should focus on. PA is a success simply because the chances of "vading"/fraud/scam a lessen with their system.
     
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    We've tried advertising numerous times before. It doesn't work. The spots we need are very expensive and the gold farms can always outbid us. And if you think paying / rewarding members to refer their friends will work you should see the referral competition I set up....

    The main thing we need to do is make the site as fast and functional as we can. I think RS isn't over by a long shot, but I also think we can gain and retain members by just being a good trading site.
     
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    RS isn't over, yes you are right. But long gone are the days when RS was in it's prime and people were actively looking for Runescape Black Markets. We need to look for members... that's what I think, anyway.

    I'm not familiar on Sythes history with paid advertising, so if it hasn't been successful in the past, I see your point.

    Have you tried acquiring banner spots on other sites through a mutual agreement? I.E, having their banner advertised here, and Sythe's there?

    Sites such as RS2006, SoulSplit, Near Reality, among others.
     
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    Unfortunately the blackmarket scene in general with games has been decreasing greatly.
     
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    I think the perception that the site is dying is part of the issue here.

    http://www.big-boards.com/highlight/2348/week/

    We were in the top 85 forums on bigboards for activity last week. Sure, we have been more active in the past, but everything has been more active in the past. Part of the low is due to google's manual spam action and reconfiguring its algorithms -- which have lead to a 30% reduction in traffic -- and part of it is the low point is the economy and part of it is the low point in runescape. But we will recover.

    If you want to help attract members the only real way to do it is grassroots. We know this from long painful experience. There is no quick fix easy solution. You basically have to convince your friends there is some value in them joining the site.
     
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    I would like to disagree with that. I'd say it has rather moved off forums.

    Nowadays every trusted trader has a website, and pretty much, chinese and these sellers use these type of forums as their bitch just to advertise.

    As a trader who's been MMing for long time, I've seen decreased trades because of that, people go to website and go first.
     
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    Honestly the same sites have been around for years, the individual services on forums were obviously the first to go for most games.
    And I'm not just talking about ruenscap.
     
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    Can we not ask these users who use Sythe as a platform for their goldsite to advertise Syhte on it? Seems fair IMO.
     
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    ^1 agree.
     
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    I'm sure most of them would be willing to advertise us for free especially a direct link to their selling thread. So that is worth looking into.
     
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    Back to their threads seems fair enough. Great idea. ^_^
     
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    Should get this going then. I believe it would have to come from someone of a high rank / make it compulsory?
     
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    I'm not comfortable at all with making it compulsory. I'm not going to ban users because they refuse to advertise us on their websites. That's insane.
     
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    Worded it wrong, yea, compulsory wasn't a good idea.

    An Admin, or a news post by you should do the trick however, asking those individuals with gold sites to advertise Sythe on it, linking to their own gold selling/buying/whatever thread.
     
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    Many small websites that users have made already link to sythe.org anyway. But I guess you'd need to work out some way of calculating how to pay those sites for each click, but you'd also need to make sure they're not just auto-clicking it the money. Something like this is pretty easy to code and wouldn't make the site noticeably slower.

    EDIT: Or I guess you might just want to pay each site a flat rate based on how much activity they have?
     
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    We might put in automatic referral ranks since I already implemented most of a referral system.
     
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    Paid advertising is NOT the only option. In fact it is far from the only option as I have said multiple times over.

    Let me make an example:

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/ (not hacks don't get upset gais)

    0 advertising, 0 marketing, yet still a massive forum.

    Another example: my site.

    I have spent 0 on advertising, yet I am still getting hundreds of unique users every day and thousands of page views. There are tons of ways to market and advertise without paying.
     
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    So... will there be any news post made on asking gold sellers/buyers with their own websites to advertise a sythe.org banner?
     
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    I think this would be an AMAZING idea sythe.

    This would give people an insentive to get people to join the sythe, so they could get a "Fun rank" [Persay] and would be appealing to everyone on the forums.

    Not that the rank would show trust or anything, it's just a little something to show who's getting the most members to join to help the community i guess.

    BUT

    How would that stop people from doing something with there IP and just mass making account somehow?
     
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