9/11: Conspiracy or Not

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9/11: Conspiracy or Not
  1. Unread #1 - Sep 20, 2012 at 12:11 PM
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    9/11: Conspiracy or Not

    If there is already a thread on this topic, feel free to delete. I do not see one so I am going to start a discussion on it.

    The events of 9/11 are a bit puzzling. I honestly can say I do not know what to believe. There are just too many facts on each side.

    I have watched the documentary 9/11: Loose Change. That really opened my eye to the conspiracy idea. There is a lot of evidence supporting it, along with many inconsistencies in the United States version of events.

    One thing I really can't understand is all the military testing they had scheduled for that day. I believe the project was called Global Guardian where they had jets scrambled out of the United States, from many air force bases around the country.

    Also the way American flight 77 hit the pentagon. If the terrorists wanted to inflict maximum damage, why didn't they go nose down into the building instead of that tough decent to where the plane is very close to the ground. Experienced pilots even say that this is near impossible. A Boeing 757 is 45 feet long, 55 feet high, has a 124 foot wing span and weighs almost 100 tons. Take a look at the hole that the plane left into the pentagon after the impact. There is no damage from where the wings should have left some. Your telling me that that huge aircraft made that tiny hole, and no traces of major parts of the plane could be recovered?

    Thermite has the potential to melt steel , not jet fuel. And there were significant amounts of it found in the debris of the buildings after they had collapsed. Note that the buildings also fell "demolition style". Only one thing can make that happen, and that is explosives.

    I do think that the towers were actually hit by planes and that hijackers actually took over the planes. I just think they could have been mules for a much larger scheme.

    About WTC7, saying that it was burned down from falling debris and fires. Well.... I am not so sure. WTC7 was close to the twin towers, but there were many other buildings even closer. None of those had fallen demolition style like WTC7 and the twin towers did. Also, WTC7 had important documents in that building. I believe there was also a couple eye witness accounts of them reporting, while in the building, hearing explosives go off and the floor underneath them collapsing. Now, I don't believe in everything I hear so their accounts alone don't influence my opinion on the whole dilemma. It is just sketchy.

    There are many more points that I could put out there, I will add more to this post little by little. I want to hear what you guys have to say. I am no 9/11 expert but I do know alot of information about the day. What is your opinion on the situation? Have you watched loose change? State here with arguments that are constructive.
     
  3. Unread #2 - Sep 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM
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    Coincidences are also considered conspiracies. You should think about that ^.^
     
  5. Unread #3 - Sep 20, 2012 at 12:22 PM
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    All the conspiracies theories presented in Loose Change have all been dispelled by third parties. You're late to the game.
     
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    Too many coincidences on that day. I really think we do not know the whole truth. Emperor, I have seen third party debunking from many different sources. It still does not account for all of the inconsistencies on that day.
     
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/introduction.html

    Read through this then tell me what points they didn't disprove. Loose Change was at best an mildly entertaining romp through the mind of someone with too much time on their hands and no professional experience. So do you believe everything presented as fact on youtube?
     
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    I do address the opposition. Like I said I do not know what to believe. I think both sides have very valid points and you can debunk each fact that is presented anywhere. And no, I do not believe that everything presented to me on youtube is fact nor do I have plenty of extra time on my hands.
     
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    Well, 9/11 has conspiracies and there were confusions, i am certainly confused how they fell like they do when it gets demolished by explosives, however that may not be true and just an inaccurate guessing by me.
    And Global guardian? Maybe a coincidence, maybe not - Who knows, lots of people tried to unravel it but not many have correctly done so, My guess is people will never find out what happened that day and all the people that died there, RIP people.
     
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    That story hit the news a day before 9/11 and the part of the pentagon that was supposedly hit by a plane contained the documents relating to that case.
    That's what I find interesting. Also tower 7 is very shady which appeared to be a controlled demo.
     
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    I've heard about a lot of conspiracy theories on 9/11 but what I don't understand is are these theories meant to be saying that such events didn't occur on the day? Events such as the plane crashes in several buildings, the hijakings, etc. Or are these theories trying to say that these were US Government planned events?

    I don't see a point that's trying to be made? For instant you say it was as though an explosive caused the damage in one of the towers, but does that mwan people are claiming the damage wasn't caused by planes that were hijaked or is that people claiming the US goft is covering something up.

    If its the latter, I wouldn't see why, unless someones trying to claim the US Government was attempting to kill thousands of innocent humans. And okay so even IF the hole in the sode of the building was small, are people actually trying to claim that the events that occured on this day were fake?
     
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    They aren't saying these evemts didn't actually happen they are saying the government was involved
     
  21. Unread #11 - Sep 20, 2012 at 11:43 PM
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    Yes WTC7 is very suspicious.... It also collapsing demolition style. I think I heard that WTC7 had important documents or something of that sort.
     
  23. Unread #12 - Sep 20, 2012 at 11:59 PM
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    The thing that concerned me most was the asbestos in the towers, motive enough for some sick twisted people.

    However, based off that alone I can't really "point fingers" at the the government. But questioning is always good.
     
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    Yes, none of us can know forsure lol. I just have many problems with the events of that day.
     
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    Have you ever looked at the alternative perspective as well, rather than just watching conspiracy videos?
    Every point made about the terrorist attacks being a government plot can be debunked.

    If you look for a conspiracy in something, you're more than likely going to find one.
     
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    There is plenty of proof now that 9/11 was an inside job. As time passes more & more crucial evidence is coming forward to attest to that. As Jesse Ventura clearly stated on Piers Morgan's CNN "British news stations had claimed a third building (Building 7) had fallen mean while in NY it was still standing and about 30 minutes later it collapsed.

    I personally now believe that the evidence is clear that 9/11 had to happen, those poor innocent lives had to be taken in a "False Flag" alert of terrorism for the US to remain the super power of the world.
     
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    Bullding 7 was not only hit by falling debris from the north tower, but was also further weakened by the fires that ensued as a result of it.
     
  33. Unread #17 - Sep 21, 2012 at 12:52 AM
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    I think it's important that people do try to question these events (legitimately).

    Who knows, maybe a truth will be brought out (or may have been, but is circumstantial)
    There is no harm in being skeptical.
     
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    It's not a conspiracy. Terrorists who believe that killing innocent people is the way forward caused what happened on that day, not the US government being shady and wanting to kill their own people! That's absolutely ridiculous!
     
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    You're such a sheep! I don't understand why people favor ignorance over common sense.
     
  39. Unread #20 - Sep 21, 2012 at 2:58 AM
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    So the United States doing something shady for some sort of gain is complete blasphemy....? Have an open mind, acknowledge the facts.

    Not looking for a conspiracy. It is called acknowledging the facts. Weighing the pros and cons. Yes, I have looked at the alternative perspective and third parties try to debunk it. Anything from each side can be easily debunked. But, there is a lot of coincidental and questionable actions on that day.
     
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