Bullshit

[ChristmasCracker]

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1180669

Yar HAS to pay back Para. It doesn't fucking matter how much of a shitty trader Para is(He is not.) Considering you can recover any account that you own/create(Yar claims he didn't recover it, and the original owner DID). Para didn't expect anything to happen to the account he bought because Yar is trusted. In no part of Yar's thread(selling thread) says he IS or IS NOT the original owner. Maybe a new rule of saying if you are or are not the original owner should be enforced.

Doesn't matter if Yar didn't do it, Yar sold it under his reputation on this site.
Para bought the account expecting it to be permanently HIS.

Even Nate posted, later in the thread, about how he had to pay back the guy he sold an account to, for the same reason.

For the record, exact same issue happened with me and another user (account was recovered, I disclosed all info I had and made sure the buyer knew I was not the original owner before the sale) and I was still forced to reimburse the principal amount.

http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=9233722&postcount=5



If Yar doesn't pay back Para, this might as well be a invitation to anyone to start selling accounts then recovering it and saying it wasn't me, since I'll just say "I'm not the original owner, the original owner took it back not my fault, sorry about your loss but you took poor precautions on securing the account"

Para's thread hasn't even been posted on by a mod, for 3 days. Yet it's a SIMPLE outcome that anyone can do "Pay back or get banned for scamming"

In response to Karl's post (The last mod post)
If I sell you my friends account, I am responsible, since I am the one risking my reputation/everything on it. If my friend recovers it, since I(ME) sold it to YOU, I have to pay you back or get the account back.
If you are aware of it not being mine, same thing applies -> I sold it to you. And everyone knows that no matter the distance you go, to secure an account, there is nothing you can do to prevent a recovery, nothing. So your post about him being a horrible trader, is just pointless nonsense. And if Yar couldn't have done anything to prevent it, then it is his fault for risking his reputation on selling an account that he isn't the original owner on. If there was an agreement made between the 2 traders stating that if the account gets recovered, yar isn't responsible, then that's a different story, but that isn't the case as I see it.


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http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=9233017&postcount=4

This is ridiculous, you didnt secure any of the details whatsoever?

No, he shouldn't have to, he was buying the name on the account. It's Yar's fault for not selling a name that is ready-to-transfer. Maybe create a rule for name selling. "The name being sold MUST be ready to transfer." He was buying a name.

Poor trading habits from you left your account insecure, Yaroow tried his best to try and get it recovered and you seemed to have a less than helpful attitude in the whole transcript.

Para was out a name be purchased, and he was out 80mil. I sure would be pissed off and have a horrible attitude as well, and I'm pretty sure you would to?

I for one dont think yaroow is liable for this, he wasnt the original owner, and Knowing Yaroow, actually had the decency to contact me about this, he is even saying that if he has to he will have to pay it, however I dont think he should have to.

Yar IS liable for it. He sold it under his sythe account, and his reputation. Him contacting you about it has nothing to do with this, whatsoever. Your reasoning behind why he shouldn't have to pay back Para is extremely stupid, and makes no sense.

Like to see more opinions.

Done.


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http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=9234499&postcount=6

Normally, I would have Yaroow pay back what has been recovered to avoid double standards. But, this user has HORRIBLE trading habits. Yaroow tried his best to recover the account and the user should have asked if he was the original owner. I agree with Karl, I don't think Yaroow should be liable for this.

Just like what I said to Karl's posts. Yar sold the account under his name and reputation. He is liable for what HE sold. Doesn't matter if Para asked if he was the original owner of the account, Para was buying the name on the account...



If you consider this staff feedback, then move it. It is about staff, but it's more of a site Rule on scamming/paying back/etc.

Ps: Please excuse me for saying something multiple times, just want to get my "point" across.

 

If you sell something under your name, regardless of you stating you're the original owner or not, you should still be obligated to pay back the buyer. I don't see a good excuse of why he shouldn't be refunded.

 

I sold an account to Giddy once for 100m. The original owner recovered it, and Giddy banned me, telling me to pay him 150m for unban (he got a few Runecrafting levels), or I'd stay banned and he would do other 'stuff' to me.

If I had to pay back, he should have to.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

If you sell something under your name, regardless of you stating you're the original owner or not, you should still be obligated to pay back the buyer. I don't see a good excuse of why he shouldn't be refunded.

Even after transferring the name over to one of Para's personal accounts, and the account that originally had the name gets recovered, yar should still be responsible.(If the trade was agreed upon for the account itself.)
There is and never will be a good excuse.
Thanks though.

I sold an account to Giddy once for 100m. The original owner recovered it, and Giddy banned me, telling me to pay him 150m for unban (he got a few Runecrafting levels), or I'd stay banned and he would do other 'stuff' to me.

If I had to pay back, he should have to.

Good point, thanks for input.

 

[7error]

This is beyond ridiculous.Yaroow should have to pay Para back or face the permanent ban for scamming. I fully agree with you ChristmasCracker.

 

[KerokeroCola]

What about a level 9 HP account that Video sold to me a loooooong time ago? He insisted he was able to unlock it, but I can, to this day, still procure a "This account has been locked" screen.

This whole nonsense is what makes account trading ridiculous.



Also, this whole thing makes me think that someone can (and probably is) getting away with massive scams. Sell an account to an unsuspecting person; recover it; try the recovery from a VPN over and over and over (and video them for further proof); re-sell it again in a few months. Without the seller being 100% obligated to provide the account for the customer, there is just way too much the seller can get away with.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

What about a level 9 HP account that Video sold to me a loooooong time ago? He insisted he was able to unlock it, but I can, to this day, still procure a "This account has been locked" screen.

This whole nonsense is what makes account trading ridiculous.

If you haven't been given a refund, or an exact replacement (stats if account was bought for stats, or name if account was bought for name) then he should refund you, or give you what you paid for.

 

Meh, I changed my mind, I want Yaroow to pay back what has been scammed. I'll talk to him later, I want to avoid double standards completely.

 

Meh, I changed my mind, I want Yaroow to pay back what has been scammed. I'll talk to him later, I want to avoid double standards completely.

Lol'd. You changed your mind? That's real professional.

 

[KerokeroCola]

Meh, I changed my mind, I want Yaroow to pay back what has been scammed. I'll talk to him later, I want to avoid double standards completely.

I think the real concern here is not this particular instance between Yaroow and Paranormal, but rather that the standards being so loose is disconcerting. I think it calls for some sort of set-in-stone decision regarding account sales--although I do fully understand that it can be extremely difficult to track and enforce such rules....

 

[Karl]

This is why we dont allow users to contribute while dealing with RaSc.

Para had stated to yaroow on MSN that he was going to accept this as a loss, the original owner of the account was 'Turbulence' who has also recovered several other names he had sold on.

The reason why I dont like the whole scam report because Para was, to the most part, not even trying to help get his own account back, and over MSN he was basically saying that he was NOT going to make a RaSc thread, yet he did, and kept bumping it while saying to yaroow on MSN that he wasnt.

Regardless, I understood that other staff wont see it from my point of view, but I dont expect to see Yaroow having to pay back full.

What I don't like is that Yaroow had secured the account on his side when buying it as well as he could, Para didnt even think about it, Yaroow's trading habits did not slip, he was not at fault, yet he's being hit for a bill because someone he trusted recovered the account.

 

Lol'd. You changed your mind? That's real professional.

I really don't like your attitude. What if I changed my mind?

I think the real concern here is not this particular instance between Yaroow and Paranormal, but rather that the standards being so loose is disconcerting. I think it calls for some sort of set-in-stone decision regarding account sales--although I do fully understand that it can be extremely difficult to track and enforce such rules....

Agreed, I might just make a thread in the staff lounge about it.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

Meh, I changed my mind, I want Yaroow to pay back what has been scammed. I'll talk to him later, I want to avoid double standards completely.

Changing your mind, this far in the thread's opening date, and the date you posted, isn't a good vibe from you, to me. You should have looked into the case deeper, before posting.

 

[Bl0w Ranq]

Original owner or not, you are responsible for what you're selling in my opinion.
Yaroow knew there was a chance the original owner would recover it, still he sold it.
Now the account has been recovered, it's Yaroow's responsibility to refund, as he was the seller.

 

[Corey]

http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=9260531&postcount=15

I think that is more than fair for both of them.

 

[Karl]

Original owner or not, you are responsible for what you're selling in my opinion.
Yaroow knew there was a chance the original owner would recover it, still he sold it.
Now the account has been recovered, it's Yaroow's responsibility to refund, as he was the seller.

Paranormal also knew the risks of BUYING an account from someone who wasnt the original owner, Yaroow tried his best to help recover the account but Para lacked the enthusiasm to even help with a simple recent password.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

This is why we dont allow users to contribute while dealing with RaSc.

Para had stated to yaroow on MSN that he was going to accept this as a loss, the original owner of the account was 'Turbulence' who has also recovered several other names he had sold on.

The reason why I dont like the whole scam report because Para was, to the most part, not even trying to help get his own account back, and over MSN he was basically saying that he was NOT going to make a RaSc thread, yet he did, and kept bumping it while saying to yaroow on MSN that he wasnt.

Regardless, I understood that other staff wont see it from my point of view, but I dont expect to see Yaroow having to pay back full.

What I don't like is that Yaroow had secured the account on his side when buying it as well as he could, Para didnt even think about it, Yaroow's trading habits did not slip, he was not at fault, yet he's being hit for a bill because someone he trusted recovered the account.

I'll number them from the "enter keys"
1. More opinions on a case, such as this, is better than 5. Yar wasn't going to have to pay back, but since I posted this, he may have to. As it's the fair thing to do.
2. Still, if it's a loss that Para is willing to take, Yar should then receive a TWC. As he sold an account that: A. He can't recover, and B. was recovered.
3. He lost 80m, and a very good name. He is pissed off.
4. He should have to pay it back, it's the right, and correct thing to do. My views on it, are obviously posted in the first post.
5. Yar bought the account off Turb. Yar then proceeded to sell it to another user. Then Turb had recovered it. Yar sold it under his name, as his own. Like I said, you can never really 100% secure an account that you buy, EVER.

 

In my opinion, a full refund should be issued. If you are selling an account that you did not create (which isn't a good idea to begin with), then you assume all responsibility for it's possible recovery.

 

I really don't like your attitude. What if I changed my mind?

I really don't care if you don't like my attitude or not. Honestly with mistakes like this happening more often, it just upsets me how it's all decided. It's just a usual trend of yours to change your mind whenever your name comes up if you've done something wrong.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=9260531&postcount=15

I think that is more than fair for both of them.

Still not fair. Yar needs to do a 100% refund. Doesn't matter what Para did to secure it. Any account can be recovered by it's original owner, with no hesitation in what the buyer does to "protect" it.

Paranormal also knew the risks of BUYING an account from someone who wasnt the original owner, Yaroow tried his best to help recover the account but Para lacked the enthusiasm to even help with a simple recent password.

Maybe Yar should have used the information he got from Turb, to recover the account. The older passwords are the better passwords to use. Using a recent password doesn't do anything. Since the recent password was from Para's ip, and not Yars or Turbs.