Better Alternative to Capital Punishment

[SexayMistahBee]

Note:
This thread is about my thoughts on the irony of capital punishment.

There are many countries in which capital punishment is given to the worst criminals of all.

We give these serial killers, pedobears and such capital punishment because we believe that it is the worst punishment that we can give. They don't deserve any more rights as a human, so they should just die.

But if this is the case, we're doing it wrong. Capital punishment is done in way similar to euthenasia. We strap them to a bed and inject them with chemicals, letting them die in peace.

Now, this clearly is not the worst punishment that we can give them. The people who believe that these men should die believe that, like I have said before, don't deserve any rights and should just burn in hell.

That is one of the main reasons why a lot of people, especially religious ones are afraid of death; hell, where people are believed to be tortured and be conscience when it is happening, feeling everything but not being able to die.

And then, there are those people who are not afraid of death because they don't believe in hell. Furthremore, we are not sure if hell exists at all, but the people who propose capital punishment want these convicts to experience it.

So since we are not sure of its existence, why not replace capital punishment with a simulation of hell? Dig a hole or put these convicts in a small room, where they will just be able to live and torture them, just enough so that they do not die. If they are not afraid of death because they don't believe in hell, at least give them hell just to be safe. They will surely be afraid of that.

Remember, capital punishment is given as the worst punishment ever. But clearly, it is not. If we do this, we will please the people who agree with capital punishment with a better one that they prefer.

So if we are not going to give them hell, spare the irony and just abolish capital punishment.

 

[malakadang]

Death by lethal injection is MUCH MUCH different to death my morphine overdose.

You don't have to be afraid of hell or believe in it to want to die or live.

Your suggestion is preposterously inhumane. Lets not forget that the punishment does not deter the act. Also it is only your opinion that capital punishment isn't the worst possible punishment, many people dread death that are on death row.

Capital punishment is also not about giving them hell, I have no idea where you got your information from.

 

[tiger9110]

What kind of government would pass such a law? What you are suggesting is incredibly far-fetched, simulating Hell just to cause them pain would be only a waste of both time and money; You can't force someone to believe in Hell by inflicting pain upon them.

 

[djinn]

Note:
This thread is about my thoughts on the irony of capital punishment.

There are many countries in which capital punishment is given to the worst criminals of all.

We give these serial killers, pedobears and such capital punishment because we believe that it is the worst punishment that we can give. They don't deserve any more rights as a human, so they should just die.

But if this is the case, we're doing it wrong. Capital punishment is done in way similar to euthenasia. We strap them to a bed and inject them with chemicals, letting them die in peace.

Now, this clearly is not the worst punishment that we can give them. The people who believe that these men should die believe that, like I have said before, don't deserve any rights and should just burn in hell.

That is one of the main reasons why a lot of people, especially religious ones are afraid of death; hell, where people are believed to be tortured and be conscience when it is happening, feeling everything but not being able to die.

And then, there are those people who are not afraid of death because they don't believe in hell. Furthremore, we are not sure if hell exists at all, but the people who propose capital punishment want these convicts to experience it.

So since we are not sure of its existence, why not replace capital punishment with a simulation of hell? Dig a hole or put these convicts in a small room, where they will just be able to live and torture them, just enough so that they do not die. If they are not afraid of death because they don't believe in hell, at least give them hell just to be safe. They will surely be afraid of that.

Remember, capital punishment is given as the worst punishment ever. But clearly, it is not. If we do this, we will please the people who agree with capital punishment with a better one that they prefer.

So if we are not going to give them hell, spare the irony and just abolish capital punishment.

Well, there's a lot of arguments about if the Capital Punishment should be more tough but the reason focus shouldn't be there. Reason why we have Capital Punishments in some countries is because to make the criminals think twice before they commit a criminal act. The way they die dosen't matter so much in my opinion.

 

[malakadang]

Well, there's a lot of arguments about if the Capital Punishment should be more tough but the reason focus shouldn't be there. Reason why we have Capital Punishments in some countries is because to make the criminals think twice before they commit a criminal act. The way they die dosen't matter so much in my opinion.

Criminals do not think twice before they commit an act.
It has been shown in numerous studies.

A citizen does not go, I better not murder this person otherwise I will die.

 

[djinn]

Criminals do not think twice before they commit an act.
It has been shown in numerous studies.

A citizen does not go, I better not murder this person otherwise I will die.

It's true that a lot of them has some sickness, but sometimes it's the societies fault that can't take better care of these people.

 

[tiger9110]

Criminals do not think twice before they commit an act.
It has been shown in numerous studies.

A citizen does not go, I better not murder this person otherwise I will die.

I do believe that they think twice about committing a crime before they commit it, weighing out the consequences of their actions and such.

 

[malakadang]

I do believe that they think twice about committing a crime before they commit it, weighing out the consequences of their actions and such.

It doesn't. Criminals don't think before they do. When you get a speeding ticket, you don't think about the consequences, you just do the action. Murderers do not put the cost forgone on a balancing scale, they just do the act.

http://www.nodeathpenaltywi.org/PDF/Deterrence Fact Sheet 9 20 06.pdf

http://www.deathpenalty.org/downloads/Stamper op-ed 11.19.07 Death penalty wastes money.pdf

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/discussion-recent-deterrence-studies

 

[kill dank]

Banishment. Find a remote island somewhere and ship all the criminals there. Just like they used to do with Australia. We'll have a whole civilization of people that descended from criminals. Just like Australia now. =]

 

[tiger9110]

It doesn't. Criminals don't think before they do. When you get a speeding ticket, you don't think about the consequences, you just do the action.

When you speed, most people generally tend to watch for cops, if they see anything that looks like a cop car etc, they slow down. If you are about to run a red light but and you see a cop right next to you, what would you do? You would stop, therefore thinking twice about your actions.

Murderers do not put the cost forgone on a balancing scale, they just do the act.

Of course they weigh their options, to kill someone out of revenge and face the hand of the law, or not kill them and let them live. By choosing to kill or not to kill is a choice they make, not just on a whim. Naturally you could argue about the mentally ill and other types of conditions, butonot everyone charged for murderer is a mindless killer.

 

[malakadang]

When you speed, most people generally tend to watch for cops, if they see anything that looks like a cop car etc, they slow down. If you are about to run a red light but and you see a cop right next to you, what would you do? You would stop, therefore thinking twice about your actions.



Of course they weigh their options, to kill someone out of revenge and face the hand of the law, or not kill them and let them live. By choosing to kill or not to kill is a choice they make, not just on a whim. Naturally you could argue about the mentally ill and other types of conditions, butonot everyone charged for murderer is a mindless killer.

Just read this - http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/front-line-law-enforcement-views-death-penalty

Experts disagree with you, and it'll be hard for you to find any credible study that says otherwise.

 

[kid elvranqe]

I think breaking large rocks into smaller rocks for the rest of their existence would be an appropriate alternative to capital punishment.

Cable tv, clean sheets and clothes, heating/ac, 3 square meals a day is something that criminals do not give their victims, so why should our taxpayer dollars go towards the comfort of the fuckin filth of the earth?

 

[insanekid50]

I dont believe in torture the way you put it. But i do believe that it should be reserved for REAL scum.(such as the 5 that killed the kid). it would be fine, in my opinion, since they DEFINITELY wont do it again. Though maybe it should be a torture that wont kill you/bloody you. like waterboarding. it would be fine to use on those 5. Waterboarding and a 10 year sentence?

 

[The Riddler_]

Capital Punishments main reason is to remove those from society, permanently, for benefit, protection of society. Where did you get this religious shit? If the reason governments put prisoners to death was to serve them as a superior punishment for their crime, all deserving would be tortured and not just hanged.

 

[sneaky82]

I completely agree with killing a criminal if he has killed another. If a man kidnaps your 10 year old sister brutally rapes her and kills her. how can you tell me that he doesn't deserve a slow painful death. Answer me that question and I may consider alternatives.

 

[Coinshare]

How about we create a new Holocaust for the people who deserve Capitol Punishment?

Hell, if the Government doesn't want to fund it, I'll do it FREE of charge as long as I get permission.

The really bad criminals were going to die either way by lethal injection or something of that nature; might as well make them regret their actions AFTER they did something horrible and make the future ones think two or three times before doing something wrong. If they still commit the action, then they know what they're getting into.

 

[malakadang]

How about we create a new Holocaust for the people who deserve Capitol Punishment?

Hell, if the Government doesn't want to fund it, I'll do it FREE of charge as long as I get permission.

The really bad criminals were going to die either way by lethal injection or something of that nature; might as well make them regret their actions AFTER they did something horrible and make the future ones think two or three times before doing something wrong. If they still commit the action, then they know what they're getting into.

Firstly it's immoral.
Secondly you wouldn't be capable enough of single handedly running such a punishment.
Thirdly, It has been shown time and time again that the punishment DOES NOT deter the act.

 

[kid elvranqe]

Firstly it's immoral.
Secondly you wouldn't be capable enough of single handedly running such a punishment.
Thirdly, It has been shown time and time again that the punishment DOES NOT deter the act.

If punishment doesn't deter the crime then what stops us from shooting RPG's at people just for shits and giggles?

Why do people do anything? Want of gain and fear of loss. We know that if we shoot somebody in the streets we will either get shot ourselves, or appropriately punished by the court system. I don't see how anybody can deny the fact that we think before we act

 

[malakadang]

If punishment doesn't deter the crime then what stops us from shooting RPG's at people just for shits and giggles?

Go get an RPG and shoot it. I really don't want to dig up proof of this again.

Why do people do anything? Want of gain and fear of loss. We know that if we shoot somebody in the streets we will either get shot ourselves, or appropriately punished by the court system. I don't see how anybody can deny the fact that we think before we act

The punishment does not deter the crime, if you really want me to show what expert criminologists say about this then ask.

And if people think before they acted, then the world would be a much better place

A man does not go OMG no I cannot kill my ex wife because I could die, the man says Fuck this bitch I'ma put a bullet in her head.

A man does not go OMG I'm not going to drink because I could die from AIDS after being drunk and having sexual intercourse.

A women does not go OMG I cannot have kids because I might die from pregnancy complications.

A person does not go OMG I cannot go outside because I might contract the flu and die.


People do not think before they act, it's very easy to say hey I'll go buy a gun and then shoot people at random.
Talk is cheap, actions count, people always think they can do a lot of things, its only when they take the first few steps that they realize they're wrong.

 

[Veni]

For a severe punishment there is no alternative to death other then life in prison which takes out of the wallets from every one on this forum to house them and feed them.

We are paying for criminals that don't deserve to live, apart from the wrongly convicted.. but that's another story.