Runescape Guides Category change - NEW Suggestion!

[ritchynator0]

The pole above is for my own use and curiosity only and has no intentional aid towards allowing this idea to become a reality.


The Runescape Guides section clearly needs an update so here is my proposal - agree or disagree.

Change the whole layout of the guide section as follows:

Sythe Homepage
- Runescape Market
-- Free Guides (Add link to Runescape Guide Sales)
-- Runescape Guide Sales
--- Verified Guide Sales (Add link to Runescape Free Guides and unverified Guide Sales)
--- Unverified Guide Sales (Add link to Runescape Free Guides and Verified Guide Sales)

Get a new Guide Moderator who controls the Runescape Guides section. This way, people who attempt to make a cheeky scam sale will not have time any more.

Verified Guide Sales Section
- Guides are moved here when they are successfully verified.

$1-5/1-5m rsgp deposit to verify a guide, sent to the Guide Verifier - OR possibility: money sent to Sythe for upkeep
If the user feels that they shouldn't have been declined they can ask for a re-review to another guide verifier.

Benefits
- Gives Guide Verifiers an incentive
- Prevents junk guides being sent to verifiers

Currently Needed
- At least 5 more Guide verifiers at the BARE MINIMUM.


Unverified Guide Sales Section

- Guides here are awaiting to be put in the Verified Guide Sales Section.
- Guides here may not be sold until verified however you can still post up the thread as if you were selling the guide already.
- Threads here are locked and can only be edited by the creator/moderators.
- From now on, users will await a moderator to post on their thread demanding to verify the guide with a clear and easy way to pay instantly. The guide is then sent to that moderator and the guide is either moved to a new "Declined Guide Sales" section or to the "Verified Guide Sales" section.

Benefits
- Prevents scams
- Augments Buyer confidence
- Prevents to some extent, leaked guides.

Free Guides
- No changes


EDIT: In regards to the rules and what guides not to sell/post

The rules can remain as they are, however consider all guides that can supposedly be found free.

This means, allow guides users to post guides that could possible be found free. It is then up to the verifier to determine whether it really can be found free or if the information is truly good that it should be posted.
Examples:
Merchanting Guides;
Flipping Guides;
Staking;
Luring;
Simple Guides such as how to complete soul wars games.

I don't agree with the fact of a guide verifier earning, for saying it works, or a seller losing money, because he's wants to prove his guide works.

It's a suggestion only to protect the verifiers from spam guides. They can do it free if that is what the community decides upon.

 

[googler]

Agree. There are so many shitty guides out there and like 90% is fake lol. This is very necessary.

 

[Tmoe]

So you're basically suggesting the entire section to be changed... May I ask what is wrong with it currently?

The layout is perfectly fine how it is, Verified Guide Sales have the incentive of them being first with having Unverified as a child-forum.

People shouldn't have to pay to have their guide verified. So if someone doesn't have money, they shouldn't be allowed to sell a guide? Retarded.. If I recall correctly, you jumped through hoops not to have your guide verified a few months ago..

Don't really see how it's preventing scams. There's a verified section for a reason, if someone wants a guaranteed working guide; they just go there.

"AT LEAST 5 MORE GUIDE VERIFIERS" At this, why? There are guides in the unverified guide section simple because people don't want them verified. I haven't been on in about 2 days, I got 1 PM concerning a guide needing verification (that followed how I request to be PM'd)

 

[ritchynator0]

So you're basically suggesting the entire section to be changed... May I ask what is wrong with it currently?

The layout is perfectly fine how it is, Verified Guide Sales have the incentive of them being first with having Unverified as a child-forum.

People shouldn't have to pay to have their guide verified. So if someone doesn't have money, they shouldn't be allowed to sell a guide? Retarded.. If I recall correctly, you jumped through hoops not to have your guide verified a few months ago..

Don't really see how it's preventing scams. There's a verified section for a reason, if someone wants a guaranteed working guide; they just go there.

"AT LEAST 5 MORE GUIDE VERIFIERS" At this, why? There are guides in the unverified guide section simple because people don't want them verified. I haven't been on in about 2 days, I got 1 PM concerning a guide needing verification (that followed how I request to be PM'd)

The layout is perfectly fine how it is

Click on Runescape Markets.
The next step shows 3 categories:
RuneScape 2 Guides
Verified Guide Sales
Free Guides

Ok. To get to unverified Guides, I have to click on Runescape 2 Guides.

Click on Runescape 2 Guides.
The next step shows 3 categories:
Verified Guide Sales
Unverified Guide Sales
Free Guides

Ok so now I click on Unverified Guide sales.
I then decide I want to go to Verified Guide sales.

There is no link to it. The forums at the top claims that I am here:
Sythe.Org Forums > Market > Runescape Markets > RuneScape 2 Guides > Verified Guide Sales

Surely it needs fixing.

Also, I was the one that got it to that stage in the first place as before it was a total mess. It took a lot of effort to actually get someone to make a change and thanks to me more verifiers came in but the job was not completed, so I'm back to help our community once again.

People shouldn't have to pay to have their guide verified.

-- Make it free then, it was only a suggestion to help those that verify receive less "spam" guides.

Don't really see how it's preventing scams.

People create an account and say things like, "Runescape 50m/hour glitch $5." One poor fellow will believe it and pay for this and the salesmen will run off with his money.
By enforcing verified only sales, these type of scams will not occur and sythe members will have more confidence in buying from one another.

"AT LEAST 5 MORE GUIDE VERIFIERS"

If my scheme is to go in place, then more verifiers will be needed unless you want to verify 10 guides a day of course, seeing as from what I've heard and witnessed, you are the only one actually verifying guides.

There are guides in the unverified guide section simple because people don't want them verified.

People don't want them verified only because it's so hard to get it verified and because currently everyone is looking in the unverified guides section. Why? Well because there are junk guides and locked and old guides in the verified section. E.g An X-fer guide is still for sale in that section. No-one looks there so who would want it verified? I know I don't.
With the new scheme in place, guides can be verified within a day and they may even make more money than before because everyone will concentrate on looking in one section only attracting more attention.

Retarded.. If I recall correctly, you jumped through hoops not to have your guide verified a few months ago..

Not sure what you mean but I appreciate if you keep to a sophisticated level.

 

[ritchynator0]

Tmoe, I Quote:

It seems like every day a non verified guide is posted by some 2011 feb join date person with 20 posts claiming sum 100% win at duel arena or awesome lure guide.

That section is just a mess and lots of idiots are actually being scammed by these people.

I mean what's the point to unverified guides? Even the stickies advise people not to buy them.

I realize it's not always easy to find someone online to verify, but that also ties in with a previous suggestion to get more guide verifiers.

Thoughts?

Tmoe, I quote:

Currently, there are tons of un-verified guides and I feel that more people should be able to verify them. Because many people have told me they cannot get it verified, I think it would be great for users to at least submit applications or something in order to become a guide verifier.

Tmoe, I quote:

I know im new to sythe but there all a bunch of scams there probably like the duel 'glitch' by using knifes where they cant att back...

 

[D God]

I partially agree with you Ritchynator0.
I feel as if we should completely remove the unverified guide section due to all the scamming and bullshit guides in that section.
Continuing, I believe the Official Guide Verifiers or whatever you want to call them would be a nice addition.
However, paying to get your guide verified is a bit ridiculous.
That is not necessary.
The verified guide section needs to be cleaned up... archive the old guides and whatnot.
I hope this actually goes through...

 

I really like this idea but it does seem a bit complicated. I think a $2 fee would be good, it all goes to the verifier, then he sends $1 of it to Sythe for the upkeep of the site and whatnot. If the guide fails then the person gets $1 out of the $2 that they gave, and if it goes through then the verifier keeps the $1.

I think this is a good idea because I can imagine there are loads of people who try to get their Merchanting guide, Dungeouneering guide and whatnot verified, and it's against the rules to even have guides of those sorts.

I have a great addition to this, when I get some stuff done I'll post it and see if you like it, if you do I would appreciate it if you could add it to the OP XD.

 

[Tmoe]

Click on Runescape Markets.
The next step shows 3 categories:
RuneScape 2 Guides
Verified Guide Sales
Free Guides

Ok. To get to unverified Guides, I have to click on Runescape 2 Guides.

Click on Runescape 2 Guides.
The next step shows 3 categories:
Verified Guide Sales
Unverified Guide Sales
Free Guides

Ok so now I click on Unverified Guide sales.
I then decide I want to go to Verified Guide sales.

There is no link to it. The forums at the top claims that I am here:
Sythe.Org Forums > Market > Runescape Markets > RuneScape 2 Guides > Verified Guide Sales

Surely it needs fixing.

Also, I was the one that got it to that stage in the first place as before it was a total mess. It took a lot of effort to actually get someone to make a change and thanks to me more verifiers came in but the job was not completed, so I'm back to help our community once again.

Few extra clicks.. There is no problem. As for the suggestion, please don't act like it was a one man show and you pioneered the movement. Actually, I made that suggestion a few weeks before and it had plenty of momentum, but an admin never go to rearranging the sub-forums.

People create an account and say things like, "Runescape 50m/hour glitch $5." One poor fellow will believe it and pay for this and the salesmen will run off with his money.
By enforcing verified only sales, these type of scams will not occur and sythe members will have more confidence in buying from one another.

Sythe purposely has a system that doesn't let an account sign up on the same IP. Yes you can use a proxy, but are easily detectable. It's amazingly easy to charge-back their money if they somehow do get scammed. Which they shouldn't, it's common sense if it's to good to be true; it usually is. Verified only sales would largely hurt the market as well as waste verifiers time. People aren't allowed to sell the same guide as another user on this site which would lead to verifiers receiving the same guide multiple times.

People don't want them verified only because it's so hard to get it verified and because currently everyone is looking in the unverified guides section. Why? Well because there are junk guides and locked and old guides in the verified section. E.g An X-fer guide is still for sale in that section. No-one looks there so who would want it verified? I know I don't.

It's not hard to get it verified, I get barely any PM's.
As for the guides that are sitting there, locked and collecting dust, report them. I'm not a mod I don't control whether guides are there or not.

With the new scheme in place, guides can be verified within a day and they may even make more money than before because everyone will concentrate on looking in one section only attracting more attention.

What makes you think guides will be verified within a day? People maintain lives outside of Sythe. When I receive a PM for a guide I don't immediately jump on it. It's a rather tedious thing to do actually.




Tmoe, I Quote:

Originally Posted by kabal View Post
It seems like every day a non verified guide is posted by some 2011 feb join date person with 20 posts claiming sum 100% win at duel arena or awesome lure guide.

That section is just a mess and lots of idiots are actually being scammed by these people.

I mean what's the point to unverified guides? Even the stickies advise people not to buy them.

I realize it's not always easy to find someone online to verify, but that also ties in with a previous suggestion to get more guide verifiers.

Thoughts?

If it's to good to be true, it most-likely is. When it comes to not getting scammed, frankly; it's common sense. I don't see to many idiots buying these guides. If it isn't verified, and it's sketchy, don't buy it..
More verifiers aren't needed. I barely get PM's as it, majority of people do not want their guide verified, or that's how it seems.

Tmoe, I quote:

Originally Posted by Divine blob View Post
Currently, there are tons of un-verified guides and I feel that more people should be able to verify them. Because many people have told me they cannot get it verified, I think it would be great for users to at least submit applications or something in order to become a guide verifier.

Unverified guides.. As I stated earlier, people simply aren't trying to get it verified. Application process I can see, but not nominations or anything of that sort. I still don't see a reason for more verifiers. If there is to be more verifiers, the current ones who don't do anything should be dropped.

Tmoe, I quote:

Originally Posted by AW3S0ME View Post
I know im new to sythe but there all a bunch of scams there probably like the duel 'glitch' by using knifes where they cant att back...

?...

 

[The Pkkid V6]

I don't agree with the fact of a guide verifier earning, for saying it works, or a seller losing money, because he's wants to prove his guide works.

 

[ritchynator0]

Few extra clicks.. There is no problem. As for the suggestion, please don't act like it was a one man show and you pioneered the movement. Actually, I made that suggestion a few weeks before and it had plenty of momentum, but an admin never go to rearranging the sub-forums.


Sythe purposely has a system that doesn't let an account sign up on the same IP. Yes you can use a proxy, but are easily detectable. It's amazingly easy to charge-back their money if they somehow do get scammed. Which they shouldn't, it's common sense if it's to good to be true; it usually is. Verified only sales would largely hurt the market as well as waste verifiers time. People aren't allowed to sell the same guide as another user on this site which would lead to verifiers receiving the same guide multiple times.

It's not hard to get it verified, I get barely any PM's.
As for the guides that are sitting there, locked and collecting dust, report them. I'm not a mod I don't control whether guides are there or not.
What makes you think guides will be verified within a day? People maintain lives outside of Sythe. When I receive a PM for a guide I don't immediately jump on it. It's a rather tedious thing to do actually.




Tmoe, I Quote:


If it's to good to be true, it most-likely is. When it comes to not getting scammed, frankly; it's common sense. I don't see to many idiots buying these guides. If it isn't verified, and it's sketchy, don't buy it..
More verifiers aren't needed. I barely get PM's as it, majority of people do not want their guide verified, or that's how it seems.

Tmoe, I quote:



Unverified guides.. As I stated earlier, people simply aren't trying to get it verified. Application process I can see, but not nominations or anything of that sort. I still don't see a reason for more verifiers. If there is to be more verifiers, the current ones who don't do anything should be dropped.

Tmoe, I quote:

?...

"As for the suggestion, please don't act like it was a one man show and you pioneered the movement. Actually, I made that suggestion a few weeks before..."

It got changed months ago because of me.

"It's not hard to get it verified, I get barely any PM's."

It clearly is hence the reason why a lot of people are complaining.

"If it's to good to be true, it most-likely is. When it comes to not getting scammed, frankly; it's common sense. I don't see to many idiots buying these guides. If it isn't verified, and it's sketchy, don't buy it..
More verifiers aren't needed. I barely get PM's as it, majority of people do not want their guide verified, or that's how it seems."

Not everyone has experience. Not everyone who comes to Sythe expects to get scammed. Let's not pretend the facts are in-existent. Through selling untrusted guide, people are getting scammed.

"If it isn't verified, and it's sketchy, don't buy it.."

Now how obvious is this one. Well, to me it is - but not to a young inexperienced computer user ready to trade away 10m Rs Gp to get in return nothing. Let's be realistic. You can say this as much as you want, but it's not going to protect people, it will only warn them.

Overall, the evidence is clear on behalf of the Sythe community that it is time for change. Change is not always a bad thing, so why protect the section which is clearly being investigated on and brought up on several occasions due to a high rate of scams.

Have you seen the Verified Guide Sales section recently? Tell me what you see. I see junk.

Have you seen the Unverified Guide Sales section recently? Tell me what you see. I don't see anything but staking glitches and lure guides. Someone is bound to pick one of these guides and buy it finding that the guide had a bit of common sense/didn't work.

"It's amazingly easy to charge-back their money if they somehow do get scammed."

Having a lot of experience with Paypal, I understand that they favour the buyer. But as always 'scammers' are ahead of the game. It's "amazingly easy" to sell in a way that makes it near impossible for the buyer to get their money back.

 

[ritchynator0]

I don't agree with the fact of a guide verifier earning, for saying it works, or a seller losing money, because he's wants to prove his guide works.

It's a suggestion only to protect the verifiers from spam guides. They can do it free if that is what the community decides upon.

 

I don't agree with the fact of a guide verifier earning, for saying it works, or a seller losing money, because he's wants to prove his guide works.

It wouldn't work in this current system, but if a verification was required for selling a guide it would cut down on the people who are selling leaked guides, guides that obviously don't work, or guides that are patched.

EDIT - The whole guide verifier earning could go away and just $1 going straight to Sythe, just the fact that they have to pay, even a small amount would deter scammers.

 

[Lepierree]

100% agreed. There was a guide promising 1m+ an hour selling mystic b staffs which i bought a min before trade update waited about a week and they still didnt sell finally when free trade came out i put them in for 1 gp they sold for a whole 150k i lost a good 11m on the deal.

 

[The Pkkid V6]

It wouldn't work in this current system, but if a verification was required for selling a guide it would cut down on the people who are selling leaked guides, guides that obviously don't work, or guides that are patched.

EDIT - The whole guide verifier earning could go away and just $1 going straight to Sythe, just the fact that they have to pay, even a small amount would deter scammers.

True, but what about the people who join to sell guides, and have no money in their paypal? Could they pay AFTER thier first sale? Or possibly pay in RSGP?

I agree with that, but I just don't agree with it because there's certain cases where people can legit not pay, such as paypal issues, etc.

100% agreed. There was a guide promising 1m+ an hour selling mystic b staffs which i bought a min before trade update waited about a week and they still didnt sell finally when free trade came out i put them in for 1 gp they sold for a whole 150k i lost a good 11m on the deal.

That's something I sold as my first guide I believe, quite a long time ago...

Seeing that post made me change my mind, verifying has to be a must, it's on the DNS, and I posted it free and it was sold.

 

[Austintheman]

100% agreed. There was a guide promising 1m+ an hour selling mystic b staffs which i bought a min before trade update waited about a week and they still didnt sell finally when free trade came out i put them in for 1 gp they sold for a whole 150k i lost a good 11m on the deal.

You put them in for 1 gp because..?

 

[The Pkkid V6]

You put them in for 1 gp because..?

It was a pre free trade based guide, now it's useless, and he wanted to sell them for whatever. But honestly his mistake on selling them for such a low amount.

 

[ritchynator0]

True, but what about the people who join to sell guides, and have no money in their paypal? Could they pay AFTER thier first sale? Or possibly pay in RSGP?

I agree with that, but I just don't agree with it because there's certain cases where people can legit not pay, such as paypal issues, etc.

It's not any harder to pay in RS GP. Due to the new update, it has made paying for verification a lot easier.

 

[The Pkkid V6]

It's not any harder to pay in RS GP. Due to the new update, it has made paying for verification a lot easier.

If they were allowed to pay VIA RSGP, then I don't see any issues with it, as if it's a legitimate guide, it's fine because they can EASILY make it back with a single sale

 

[Tmoe]

It got changed months ago because of me.

Don't act all high and mighty... An admin changed it, you did not.
As well:
My First thread: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=885941

It clearly is hence the reason why a lot of people are complaining.

I don't see that many people complaining they can't get their guide verified? If anything, I see people saying they see a lot of guides there that aren't verified.

Not everyone has experience. Not everyone who comes to Sythe expects to get scammed. Let's not pretend the facts are in-existent. Through selling untrusted guide, people are getting scammed.

You do realize one has to be at least 13 to join the site? One should of developed the basic common sense for something like that. As well, I haven't seen many, if any scammer reports from the guide section..

Now how obvious is this one. Well, to me it is - but not to a young inexperienced computer user ready to trade away 10m Rs Gp to get in return nothing. Let's be realistic. You can say this as much as you want, but it's not going to protect people, it will only warn them.

It's a blackmarket community. There are loads of stickys warning people how to not get scammed and so forth.

Overall, the evidence is clear on behalf of the Sythe community that it is time for change.

What Evidence?

Change is not always a bad thing, so why protect the section which is clearly being investigated on and brought up on several occasions due to a high rate of scams.

What high rate of scams?..
Lol'd all we need is hope and change!

Have you seen the Verified Guide Sales section recently? Tell me what you see. I see junk.

Don't see how this matters?.. Threads can easily be moved to archives upon reports. This also has no influence on the decision?..

Have you seen the Unverified Guide Sales section recently? Tell me what you see. I don't see anything but staking glitches and lure guides. Someone is bound to pick one of these guides and buy it finding that the guide had a bit of common sense/didn't work.

Staking and luring just came back.. What do you expect? Before that it was all transfer guides. Same shit, different smell. You act as if everyone wants their guide verified. Not everyone wants it verified, and it's a free-market community. People are allowed to sell what they want (minus illegal substances/other goods.)

Having a lot of experience with Paypal, I understand that they favour the buyer. But as always 'scammers' are ahead of the game. It's "amazingly easy" to sell in a way that makes it near impossible for the buyer to get their money back.

To sell in a way to make it nearly impossible to get their money back? Please show, I've recently lost $300 to PayPal claims.. ;3

 

[ritchynator0]

Don't act all high and mighty... An admin changed it, you did not.
As well:
My First thread: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=885941


I don't see that many people complaining they can't get their guide verified? If anything, I see people saying they see a lot of guides there that aren't verified.

You do realize one has to be at least 13 to join the site? One should of developed the basic common sense for something like that. As well, I haven't seen many, if any scammer reports from the guide section..


It's a blackmarket community. There are loads of stickys warning people how to not get scammed and so forth.



What Evidence?

What high rate of scams?..
Lol'd all we need is hope and change!


Don't see how this matters?.. Threads can easily be moved to archives upon reports. This also has no influence on the decision?..


Staking and luring just came back.. What do you expect? Before that it was all transfer guides. Same shit, different smell. You act as if everyone wants their guide verified. Not everyone wants it verified, and it's a free-market community. People are allowed to sell what they want (minus illegal substances/other goods.)


To sell in a way to make it nearly impossible to get their money back? Please show, I've recently lost $300 to PayPal claims.. ;3

You didn't answer anything properly and I got the guides section changed around June 2010. The thread is somewhere but I'm not sure where.

One should of developed the basic common sense for something like that. As well, I haven't seen many, if any scammer reports from the guide section..

You're incredibly ignorant to those who aren't used to a world full of bad trades. In the real world, you go into a shop and pay for something and expect something in return 100% of the time. Some newcomer is bound to be exposed to a scam.

Remind me again what is it you are attempting to resolve by conflicting with my statements? Right now, I can't tell what you are trying to say. I can't see why you think that the current situation is fine. I can't see how you think that we have enough verifiers. I've sent 1 guide to 2 verifiers, ONE of which made a post on my thread saying "pm me if you want this verified," yet after sending them the guides in the way they asked for it, nothing was done on both occasions.

Staking and luring just came back.. What do you expect? Before that it was all transfer guides. Same shit, different smell. You act as if everyone wants their guide verified. Not everyone wants it verified, and it's a free-market community. People are allowed to sell what they want (minus illegal substances/other goods.)

I must say that I don't ever recall anyone attempting to sell xfer guides other than the 1 odd guide attempting to be sold. You're not giving a reason for why "not everyone wants it verified." I know I have my reason for why this is so.
"it's a free-market community." Apparently you can sell a useless luring guide that gets someone no-where but you can't sell a helpful merchanting guide.

To sell in a way to make it nearly impossible to get their money back? Please show, I've recently lost $300 to PayPal claims.. ;3

I'm not encouraging scamming so pm me.

I don't see that many people complaining they can't get their guide verified?

They've given up.