Spam Forum Debate #1 - Luring is not scamming

[Returning Truth]

Don't buy into authority. More often than not, they're wrong.

Read the QA on the forum, they said it themselves.

 

[blindkilla]

Post from 2 days ago > announcement from 3.5 years ago?

But how would that change anything if they've already admitted it's scamming.

Regardless, I didn't mean this to turn into an argument, I merely thought you were misinformed.

 

[Plznate]

Don't buy into authority. More often than not, they're wrong.

Ya except Jagex owns the game so they do what they want DERP

But how would that change anything if they've already admitted it's scamming.

Regardless, I didn't mean this to turn into an argument, I merely thought you were misinformed.

No worries, I imagine that all things considered they will be reforming it, the thread I linked you to was only released two days ago so your argument would have checkmated me for the past 3.5 years : P

 

[Magic Arrow]

I'd like to join this debate.

Would we ban somebody for stealing from his fathers pocket?

 

[Konner for 2012]

In all seriousness, do some people actually consider luring as 'scamming'?

 

[Plznate]

I'd like to join this debate.

Would we ban somebody for stealing from his fathers pocket?

You sir, are the king of real life comparisons that aren't fully applicable lol

 

[FireZ]

Stop comparing sythe to real life already

 

[I'm Still Breathing]

Its not scamming at all, as long as you really drop the amount that you say you dropped in the wild.

For example, if I say "Im going to drop 5M right there in level 2 wild, you run and grab it when it shows", and you really drop 5M, then you are holding up your end of the deal. Once he runs into the wild, its just part of the game and you kill him.

I'm going to send you $5 via paypal for a pin.

Two days later I'm going to charge back.

I held up my end up the deal.

 

[Zorb]

Scamming is gaining somthing that is not yours.

Luring is Gaining somthing that is not yours.

There is your answer.

 

[Cjmt905]

Look at it this way, Sythe also warns you about scamming. "Always request a PM" "go first at your own risk" "use an OMM" isn't that a little like the wilderness ditch?

 

[FireZ]

Scamming is gaining somthing that is not yours.

Luring is Gaining somthing that is not yours.

There is your answer.

Thats ridiculous

 

[video]

I think we can at least agree that it's dishonesty. No one lures people by saying "Hey, come with me so I can get my friends to kill you and take your stuff." They usually say something like "I'm quitting rs, follow me to get my stuff for free".

You are essentially promising to do something that you have no intention of doing. But it's not just that you're not giving any money for free, you're also actively and purposely stealing from other people by lying to them.

It's not clever, it doesn't take skill, and it wouldn't matter if it did. Fact is, you're stealing from someone else by lying to them.

As for those who say that this isn't against Jagex ToS, though it might not be specifically mentioned in the terms of service, it's just a form of item scamming. Saying that "luring isn't against ToS" is like saying "selling blue partyhats for $ isn't against ToS". Of course it is, it's just not mentioned specifically.

For anyone who disagrees with me, please convince me that "luring" is not otherwise lying/deceiving someone to take their stuff

 

[2bagamer]

Scamming is gaining somthing that is not yours.

Luring is Gaining somthing that is not yours.

There is your answer.

It's yours once they walk into the wildy and you kill them.

 

[video]

It's yours once they walk into the wildy and you kill them.

Zorb's logic was faulty. The difference between luring and normal pvp is that the person enters the wildy under false pretenses.

As for the "luring is part of normal gameplay" argument, if you accept this, then you must also accept "trust scams" "armor trimming" "phishing attempts" "jagex staff impersonations" and any number of deceitful activities as "normal gameplay". If you do, then fine, I have no argument against you. However, it's pretty clear that there's a difference between these activities and simple wilderness pk'ing.

When people pk, they at least understand that there's a risk of getting killed and losing their items. With luring, you're basically preying on the stupid and the naive. I don't think that's fair at all but feel free to argue.

 

[Magic Arrow]

You sir, are the king of real life comparisons that aren't fully applicable lol

It was not what I was getting at.

I had a point to prove. Anyone want to answer my question.

 

[Brendan]

I'd like to join this debate.

Would we ban somebody for stealing from his fathers pocket?

Nope.

 

[Magic Arrow]

Nope.

Assuming they met, would you ban a member for stealing from another members pocket.

ie I met you, and I stole money from your wallet.

 

[yami]

Yes it's scamming, just like taking out the cash or changing it to 13373 instead of 1337k when buying an item.

Should it get you banned from Sythe? No. I don't think either of those should.

Should it get you banned from runescape? No. There is a big fucking ditch there only a retard would cross if they thought they'd lure something.

 

[Plznate]

Scamming is gaining somthing that is not yours.

Luring is Gaining somthing that is not yours.

There is your answer.

Dog is an animal

Cat is an animal.

Dog is a cat.

(just to show how stupid your path of reason looks)

Assuming they met, would you ban a member for stealing from another members pocket.

ie I met you, and I stole money from your wallet.

Pffft I would just say the smack down and call it a day. Too easy right? : D

 

[Karl]

RWT trading here is a mechanic that we all must have trust in otherwise, this site won't work, simple, really.

Without Trust, and without us banning people who break this trust, we wouldn't be a Blackmarket.

Luring is an ingame mechanic, and we cannot control it, its out of our grasp, and honestly, it'd very hard to punish to, how could you prove who killed you and who lured you?