New forms of detecting "ban evading"

[woahnaynay]

First of all, the staff hardly provides proof for ban evaders who dispute. What's the point of the dispute if your response is this (http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=912867) or (http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=912867). Seems like people aren't even reading the ban disputes, just saying no.

And also, I go to a university which has a few IP's that thousands of students connect to. So you're telling me that if one student who shares the wireless connect with the others is banned you're going to ban the entire university.

No offense but that whole method is childish and semi retarded.

Also, what if you share a public hotspot like a coffee shop or a hotel? You're telling me if a banned user at any time used that ip you can be banned for also having that ip? What if someone uses a popular proxy and a banned user has used that ip before?

This is really a terrible method, how about mac address banning?

 

[The Legit Shop]

makes sense. Looking forward to replys.

 

[BattlescapeSlayer]

they will even vade you if you have the same isp with a similar ip...how retarded is that not every one has a different internet provider...

 

[Skele]

Seems like people aren't even reading the ban disputes, just saying no.

I make sure to go through the IP's to make sure they aren't proxies, VPN's or any other shared hotspots. In that particular case, however, the user has many banned accounts and he's lucky I even answered his dispute instead of archiving it.

 

[staythirsty, myfriend]

You cannot ban people using their MAC addresses because it's impossible to get their MAC address in the first place over the internet. The only thing a MAC address is ever even useful for is if you are on a LAN and need to do networking. Apart from a LAN, your MAC address is impossible to know; therefore, making your suggestion near useless.

Now don't get me wrong, I do agree somewhat with your point, but I also have to believe moderators look through your entire IP history, not just at one single IP, before they take any actions against your Sythe.org account.

EDIT: Secondly, would you go on your PayPal account at a hotspot, or using a proxy? No. Then don't do it with your Sythe.org account either. Chances are nothing will happen, but if you're worried, simply don't log in while using a foreign network.

 

[SuF]

You cannot ban people using their MAC addresses because it's impossible to get their MAC address in the first place over the internet. The only thing a MAC address is ever even useful for is if you are on a LAN and need to do networking. Apart from a LAN, your MAC address is impossible to know; therefore, making your suggestion near useless.

Now don't get me wrong, I do agree somewhat with your point, but I also have to believe moderators look through your entire IP history, not just at one single IP, before they take any actions against your Sythe.org account.

EDIT: Secondly, would you go on your PayPal account at a hotspot, or using a proxy? No. Then don't do it with your Sythe.org account either. Chances are nothing will happen, but if you're worried, simply don't log in while using a foreign network.

A non-HTTP application can use Mac banning...

Obvious ban evaders are just told to shut up since they are just wasting the staff's time.

 

[woahnaynay]

I make sure to go through the IP's to make sure they aren't proxies, VPN's or any other shared hotspots. In that particular case, however, the user has many banned accounts and he's lucky I even answered his dispute instead of archiving it.

So you're telling me you have a directory of all active proxies? I highly doubt, and you conveniently ignored my argument about universities and hotels.
Because, actually I just read a dispute where someone brought up the hotel argument. And it seemed as though it was overturned.
And they're lucky you answered the dispute? are you kidding are you admitting the staff ignores our disputes? Nice, thought this site took their patrons seriously. Cause Tyro's dispute was given great consideration and rules even changed for him, but when a member appeals you just ignore it. At least we have responsible mods who take of their responsibilities, oh wait....

You cannot ban people using their MAC addresses because it's impossible to get their MAC address in the first place over the internet. The only thing a MAC address is ever even useful for is if you are on a LAN and need to do networking. Apart from a LAN, your MAC address is impossible to know; therefore, making your suggestion near useless.

Now don't get me wrong, I do agree somewhat with your point, but I also have to believe moderators look through your entire IP history, not just at one single IP, before they take any actions against your Sythe.org account.

EDIT: Secondly, would you go on your PayPal account at a hotspot, or using a proxy? No. Then don't do it with your Sythe.org account either. Chances are nothing will happen, but if you're worried, simply don't log in while using a foreign network.

I am very sure there is a way to track mac addresses saying otherwise is just ignorance. I am a network administrator at my job and know for a fact that argument is false in every way. I ban mac addresses recorded from our server everyday.

 

[FireZ]

99% of the time its extremely obvious that the person is just playing stupid.

We do searches and its usually obvious whats going on.

As far as universities go it should have a .edu in the address.

 

[v3-]

So you're telling me you have a directory of all active proxies? I highly doubt, and you conveniently ignored my argument about universities and hotels. Please justify that with your logic.

Because, actually I just read a dispute where someone brought up the hotel argument. And it seemed as though it was overturned.
And they're lucky you answered the dispute? are you kidding are you admitting the staff ignores our disputes? Nice, thought this site took their patrons seriously. Cause Tyro's dispute was given great consideration and rules even changed for him, but when a member appeals you just ignore it. At least we have responsible mods who take of their responsibilities, oh wait....



I am very sure there is a way to track mac addresses saying otherwise is just ignorance. I am a network administrator at my job and know for a fact that argument is false in every way. I ban mac addresses recorded from our server everyday.

I know for a fact that you aren't nearly intelligent enough to have a job.

edit:

Eventually when you grow older you will get a sense for who you are in the world and realize that other people exist too. You will develop a series of life-lasting morals that no matter how loose or firm will define who exactly -you- are in the world. Until then I don't think you should think again much about the statement I have bolded for you.

Are you kidding? Your freedom ends where another person's freedom begins. You cannot govern another person. Do you think you're perfect? Or is it only ok when you do bad things?

First, all you can do is think that people are stealing the pins, because you have no proof.

Second, if you think it's bad, don't take part, I'm sur ethat you have enough faith in your fellow man to know right from wrong, unless you are claiming some kind of self divinity that gives you power over others.

Sadly, you live by a system, you think creating rules are ok to govern on others, whereas I am an anarachist. So, I'm gonna create a rule for you, it's called the law of the United States of America, the rule, innocent until proven guilty.

If you wanna get rid of the membership section, provide proof pins are stolen.

Woahnaynay,

I am currently looking for a fan club vice president. I'll get straight to the point. The tasks you would be assigned would be rudimentary office work. You would be in charge of attendance and taking the minutes at fan club meetings, you would be in charge of maintaining the newsletter mailing list, serve as interim treasurer when pertaining to annual dues and funds until a new treasurer is assigned, and be in charge of ordering club t-shirts for the following winter. If you would be interested in this position, please get back to me via PM. I have looked at many candidates, but your fervor and dedication cause you to stand out in my eyes. I hope you are willing to accept this challenge, but again, citing your fervor and dedication to the club, I am sure you will have no difficulties.

Sincerely,
v3- Fan Club President
v3-

Just furthering the point that you have nothing intelligent to say, just trolling some more.

No, I'm just furthering the point that you clearly have an obsession and need to get off of my dick.

My "obsession" is no worse than your messiah complex.

"Get off my dick."

What an intelligent statement, must be a minority

"Get off my dick."

Stop sexually harrassing me please

"Get off my dick."

Please, you are now breaking real world laws. Please, stop sexually harrasing me it makes me uncomfortable and I'm not sure I can continue viewing this site with your continuous harrassment.

Someone ban this kid, please.

 

[Fedora]

Mac addresses take 3 seconds to change with Linux.

 

[Skele]

So you're telling me you have a directory of all active proxies? I highly doubt, and you conveniently ignored my argument about universities and hotels. Please justify that with your logic.

It's very easy to detect proxy IP's.

Because, actually I just read a dispute where someone brought up the hotel argument. And it seemed as though it was overturned.

In that particular case, there was only one matching IP which had a different location from the rest of his IP's. I then asked him to provide some more details on msn and decided to give him the benefit of the doubt.

And they're lucky you answered the dispute? are you kidding are you admitting the staff ignores our disputes? Nice, thought this site took their patrons seriously. Cause Tyro's dispute was given great consideration and rules even changed for him, but when a member appeals you just ignore it. At least we have responsible mods who take of their responsibilities, oh wait....

Ninety percent of the time, the evader just plays dumb even after his dispute had been denied countless times. This was one of those times.

I am very sure there is a way to track mac addresses saying otherwise is just ignorance. I am a network administrator at my job and know for a fact that argument is false in every way. I ban mac addresses recorded from our server everyday.

Changing/masking MAC addresses is not hard.

 

[cp]

Want an easy way to check if an IP address is a proxy? Scan it for common proxy ports. 3128, 8000, 8080, etc.

And if it has port 80 open, it's more than likely a web-based proxy. You can always open it in your browser and check.

The average user will not have these ports open on their computer, so if they are open, chances are they're a vader.

Mac addresses take 3 seconds to change with Linux.

That's nice, because the router you're behind still its original mac address.

 

[Fedora]

That's nice, because the router you're behind still its original mac address.

Yup but it's masked and trust me, quite hard to find a masked MAC.

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

As far as universities go it should have a .edu in the address.

Not all universities do.

 

The system isn't really bad.
I just got unbanned for being a vader.
While the dispute never went checked, skele was very helpful over msn.

 

[FireZ]

Not all universities do.

Thanks James.

A lot of them do but some don't. I stand corrected.

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

Thanks James.

A lot of them do but some don't. I stand corrected.

Well, this shouldn't really matter. Every computer has an individual IP, so unless you use Sythe on a library computer where someone else has used it, you should be O.K.

Additionally, some of the global mods on this site are very good at reading IPs, and will probably make correlations between the sharing of library computers if presented with the argument.

 

[woahnaynay]

Want an easy way to check if an IP address is a proxy? Scan it for common proxy ports. 3128, 8000, 8080, etc.

And if it has port 80 open, it's more than likely a web-based proxy. You can always open it in your browser and check.

The average user will not have these ports open on their computer, so if they are open, chances are they're a vader.


That's nice, because the router you're behind still its original mac address.

The AVERAGE user, what about the abnormal user? They are just banned because most people don't have that port open?

The system isn't really bad.
I just got unbanned for being a vader.
While the dispute never went checked, skele was very helpful over msn.

Well that makes me feel better, I didn't think about MSN, I suppose that's easier to check than reports.

 

[SuF]

The AVERAGE user, what about the abnormal user? They are just banned because most people don't have that port open?

There are many ways to tell if an IP is a proxy with a pretty fair degree of certainty. That really isn't an issue.

 

[woahnaynay]

There are many ways to tell if an IP is a proxy with a pretty fair degree of certainty. That really isn't an issue.

Fair degree of certainty, so not fool proof, so not definitive evidence, I am saying 1 form of proof is not enough, when people get scammed they provide like 5 pictures at least. If you're gonna ban someone you should have more than one piece of evidence, especially since the only method used currently has flaws (admitted by the staff and you)